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    In short, I would money is not technically "needed", but it greatly facilitates the exchange of goods and services.


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    Quote Quote by: Healthydose View Post
    WOW!!! Yes, it is obvious we are both on the same track.

    I also discovered that the way the bills we use get out there to be used is through loans. When a loan is accepted for say 100,000 the feds (lower case on purpose) print 100,000 but NOT the intrest. So in the passage of time I will actually draw back out of the economy 300,000, 200,000 being just intrest!! This is slavery!!!!! Intrest does not exist, the house does but not the interst. I could have bought TWO MORE HOMES. But, since there is no ball and chain the people don't get it.

    An explantion of how I think it would be better.

    There are two levels of gov. Us, the gov. actual, and the employees: pres, gov, mayor ect., the gov. visual

    So, all banks would be operated by the gov. That right off takes out the control factor of the bankers over us.
    Work credits (commonly called money) would be loaned out to the people and only that amount would be paid back, since there is no longer a profit motive.

    All workers in the above cited catagories ( of my other post) would have accounts in which their weekly pay would be deposited. Now, since the owner is not the one having to worry about paying you, you'll no longer hear " yeah, I'd like to hire you, but I can't pay you, sorry" Poverty would disappear as people would be able to find jobs easily. Just go ask at an approved business. The owner would still have to worry about his business because he still needs to sell his wares.

    How would the other business fare? The people working in the cited business will expend their work credits in any manner they so choose. So the "money" would filter out to all areas, but in a way that is honest.
    This would naturally tie people to the basics agriculture, timber, mining, building, AND help us become energy independent and use clean energy to boot.
    With the risk of sounding like a conspiracy buff, let me point out that there have been at least 3 Presidents who have tried to take back the power to create the nation's currency. The first was Lincoln with the introduction of the "greenback" during the Civil War. He wanted to keep the "greenback" and the power to coin money in the hands of the Federal Government; well we all know how that turned out.

    JFK introduced a bill reinstating silver as a backing for his "silver certificates" which subsequently passed. It was a debt free currency that would have been issued directly by the government. We all know how that turned out.

    Ronald Reagan flirted with the idea himself, but a bullet has a way of changing your perspective.

    My point is that control of multiple trillions of dollars of wealth is plenty of incintive to kill whoever you have to in order to keep it. Is it really that surprising that the powers that be would litterally stop at nothing to preserve their power and control?

    If you are interested in understanding the intricate details of how all this actually works as far as the monetary system, take the "Crash Course" from Chris Martinson.com.

    The Crash Course - Chris Martenson - chapters, Crash Course, Economy, Energy, environment, Peak Oil, videos, what should I do

    He explains it better than most I have seen.


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    Ah, my friend you forget to mention Pres. James Garfield who was assasinated merely for saying this truth in a speach.

    They tried twice with Andrew Jackson but he did "kill the bank"

    Guess who was on the Titanic of any importance?

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    Right, it just makes the exchange of goods and services easier. Kind of hard to pay for that surgery with eggs and apples. : /

    Look up Colonial Script.

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    Quote Quote by: Healthydose View Post
    Ah, my friend you forget to mention Pres. James Garfield who was assasinated merely for saying this truth in a speach.

    They tried twice with Andrew Jackson but he did "kill the bank"

    Guess who was on the Titanic of any importance?
    I've never read anything about who was on the Titanic. I'll have to look that up.


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    Quote Quote by: Healthydose View Post
    Right, it just makes the exchange of goods and services easier. Kind of hard to pay for that surgery with eggs and apples. : /

    Look up Colonial Script.
    Certainly, but the easiest and most efficient way to get the things you need would be to have access to them without the need for an exchange at all. Technology is capable of replacing human labor to the point that most goods and services are automated. That is also the most efficient way to produce the things we need. The efforts of human beings could be focused on learning and growing personally and cooperating to make the best world possible for every human being. Devoting one's life to the production of cheap and virtually useless crap to make money for those at the top is not a worthy use of human ingenuity. Every person is capable of much more than that and all of our lives become better as each person reaches their highest level of contribution. I'm not saying that the monetary system doesn't produce anything of value, I'm just saying that it is now obsolete. It's time to replace it with something that promotes human value instead of acting as a buffer to progress.


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    Are you referring to the Venus Project? :) Is so GREAT!!!!!!!! If not look it up. :)

    Agreed. Tecnology is at a point were we could be liberated from the mindless drugery we find ourselves trapped in because to live we have to have "money".

    But the controlling powers that be are not going to just let their chattle go. Have you looked up/read the Georgia Stones? That just goes to show you how unimportant they feel we are. :(

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    The international bankers wanted a permanent central bank in the US of A. Instead of 20 yr. charters that could get shot down A La Andrew Jackson. So they instigated the War between the States as a way to force the US of A to accept one. However, Lincoln out foxed them; he paid for it.

    When was the next BIG war.................1914. 51 YEARS of relative peace. WOW! This time they were not going to make the same mistake twice--they would have in place the central bank first THEN start a war. But the wealthy knew that would be bad for them, so they continually denied its passage. Couldn't knock them off one by one that'd be too obvious.

    So build an unsinkable floating palace (purposefully don't put ceilings on the containment cells linnning the ships hull) give them free maiden voyage tickets.......

    1912 opposition taken care of. Check
    1913 Federal Reserve Act. Check
    1914 WWI Check
    1929 Planned Great Depression Check
    1930-1938 Buy up real property for pennies Check
    And on it goes.

    Schools are merely gov. indoctrination centers. J. Dewy--father of modern "Education" said so himself, " schools are not there to teach reading writing and arithmatic that is a falacy. They are to mold society the way we want to to become."

    Some people are so willfully blind it's frustrating.

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    Quote Quote by: Healthydose View Post
    The international bankers wanted a permanent central bank in the
    US of A.
    Instead of 20 yr. charters that could get shot down
    A La Andrew Jackson.
    Classic.

    Grandpa h.

    Post by post, building his arguments by smashing a couple of theirs -- for America.

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    Quote Quote by: Healthydose View Post
    Are you referring to the Venus Project? :) Is so GREAT!!!!!!!! If not look it up. :)

    Agreed. Tecnology is at a point were we could be liberated from the mindless drugery we find ourselves trapped in because to live we have to have "money".

    But the controlling powers that be are not going to just let their chattle go. Have you looked up/read the Georgia Stones? That just goes to show you how unimportant they feel we are. :(
    I'm a member of the Zeitgeist Movement and an advocate of a "resource based economy" as it were. I agree that the powers that be will not give up their "Wealth generation machine" without a fight.

    I've done some research on the Georgia Stones and I can't find any reason to think that they were placed there by malevolent forces. It seems most likely that they were placed there during the "cold war" by someone expecting a nuclear war to wipe out most of the population of the planet. All of the other suggestions other than the first one are perfectly sensible and harmless. Even the first one is if you assume that the population has already been reduced to below that number by a nuclear event. The stones were placed there to withstand a nuclear blast. That seems like the most likely scenario to me. I could be wrong of course.


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    Quote Quote by: Healthydose View Post
    The international bankers wanted a permanent central bank in the US of A. Instead of 20 yr. charters that could get shot down A La Andrew Jackson. So they instigated the War between the States as a way to force the US of A to accept one. However, Lincoln out foxed them; he paid for it.

    When was the next BIG war.................1914. 51 YEARS of relative peace. WOW! This time they were not going to make the same mistake twice--they would have in place the central bank first THEN start a war. But the wealthy knew that would be bad for them, so they continually denied its passage. Couldn't knock them off one by one that'd be too obvious.

    So build an unsinkable floating palace (purposefully don't put ceilings on the containment cells linnning the ships hull) give them free maiden voyage tickets.......

    1912 opposition taken care of. Check
    1913 Federal Reserve Act. Check
    1914 WWI Check
    1929 Planned Great Depression Check
    1930-1938 Buy up real property for pennies Check
    And on it goes.

    Schools are merely gov. indoctrination centers. J. Dewy--father of modern "Education" said so himself, " schools are not there to teach reading writing and arithmatic that is a falacy. They are to mold society the way we want to to become."

    Some people are so willfully blind it's frustrating.
    \

    A thousand times YES!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

    This is the history they don't teach in schools. I'm with you 100%.


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    What is money? I think the vast majority of people are under a carefully crafted and willy lie that money is the paper or coin in the pocket/wallet.

    No, it is merely a representation, just like potatoes, shells, eagle feathers, wampum belts, beaver skins coca beans ect.

    But what were they all representing?

    Work, effort the human ability to take something and turn it into something different. A carpenter turns a piece of wood into a chair, a dentist a toothache into on that no longer hurts and on it goes.

    Money IS work/effort. We can chose to represent it however we want, as long as everybody agrees on it as being the medium of exchange.

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