How to Handle Prostitution

[Fonceai]

The law?

Isn't that government regulation?

[ladyphoenix]

That depends. See the supreme law of the land is the Constitution, and what it does is ensure certain rights. What he's talking about is keeping the rights of all parties involved in tact. It is the job of government to make sure that those rights aren't violated, so yes, that would mean government regulation, at least within the bounds of the law. At least that's how I see it.

[Fonceai]

I see it as no more complicated than the licensing required to be a doctor.

Nothing complicated, just a technicality.

[ladyphoenix]

How is that NOT government regulation? Or is that not what you are arguing?? I've been known to totally misunderstand things.

[Fonceai]

It is regulation.

I've been saying that regulation is good.

[Autolykos]

If prostitution were legalized/decriminalized (these mean the same thing to me), what would keep prostitutes from having nice, clean establishments on their own? The reason they don't have them now is because they would draw attention to themselves that way.

I'm not opposed to verification and quality assurance. Third-party inspections are a very good thing. However, I don't see why the third party always has to be the state. What about private organizations like Underwriters Laboratories?

Yes, every law is a regulation, and every regulation is a law. They are one and the same.

Regarding doctors, I don't think they should be licensed (by the government) either.

- Rob

[Milton Bradley]

I must say I didn't like the tax aspect as well, but the way the poll was worded, ( and my post was entered immediately after waking up ) I was forced into a multiple choice situation.


I too am against the creation of another government controlled bureaucracy, but who said the entity doing the inspecting, and regulating had to be a government agency?


Why not a community driven, secular, private institution that operates for profit? ( Again, the libertarian in me looks to the Better Business Bureau to illustrate just how easily this can be accomplished. )

[brien]

Quote by: PatrickHenry Narrowly defined, prostitution is sex acts for cash. Let's don't off-track about sex after a dinner and some entertainment. That's a date. And sex and household chores for shelter and food is not prostitution either, in spite of some cynical opinions. I am wondering where a largely liberal forum like ours stands on this issue. It's not going to go away. But our societies don't seem to be sending a very coherent message either. There are other threads where we have discussed the options, but this one is a poll I devised. Please opine... Some of the other threads: Why Prostitution Should Be Made Legal More Taxation an Acceptable Side Effect of Legalized Prostitution and Drugs? Should we Legalize Prostitution? prostitution

I vote #1, with prejudice. I can't agree with tax and government regulation. I would propose a Private Agency set up to help brothels be the best they could be according to a set of accepted self imposed regulations. Similar to the Good Housekeeping Seal of Approval or the Underwriters Laboratories. Let Consumer Reports do a examination on a yearly basis to rate the places according to their services.

As far as Nono's point of Sex Slavery, there was just a bust in the entire Northeast of this very thing. Law enforcement is well equipped to detect and bust these illegal operations.. I say let them to continue to do their jobs. Legalize illegal drugs and we could use the resources that are now wasted on the failed "war on drugs" and Sex Slavery could be effectively eradicated when it was discovered.

We just don't need the government involved. And as far as taxes, for the most part, we don't have a revenue problem, we have a spending problem.
But let's not derail the thread. I just don't think we need to another screwy tax!

[Osborn F Enready]

Fonceai said: It is regulation. I've been saying that regulation is good.

I say:
The problem is, you aren't specifying objective regulation, or subjective regulation.

There is a TANGIBLE difference.

Rights, are tangible, universal if only they are recongized by the individual.
The subjective "right or wrong" morality issue over prostitution is subjective, and mostly influenced by religious and personal opinion.

[Compugasm]

Quote by: PatrickHenry But I am extremely reluctant to create another bureaucracy for regulating prostitution...

Gangstas won't be cool anymore. Instead of saying "Gotta keep my pimp hand strong" it will become "Gotta keep my pimp certification up to date".

[Aeris]

Quote by: Compugasm Gangstas won't be cool anymore. Instead of saying "Gotta keep my pimp hand strong" it will become "Gotta keep my pimp certification up to date".

Nonsense! It would just become metaphorical. ^_^

[Seeker_Of_Sins]

Prostitution became legal in NZ three years back.

1.The result has been a rise in street prostitutes rather than parlour prostitutes, (one of the points raised in favour of decrimilisation was that prostitutes with criminal convictions couldnt work in parlours and were therefore more vulnerable so legalising prostitution would create a safer environment for workers), the opposite has been the case.

2. There has been a dramatic rise in child prostitution, the legalising of prostitution has legitimised the work and therefore more young people enter it because the social taboos have been removed

3. There has been an increase of violence towards prostitutes and an increase in the number of murders on prostitutes, the belief is that possible gang related issues are in play

4. The cost has actually come down and now prostitutes are earning less and having to pay tax for the privilige

5. Parlours compliance costs have increased causing many to go out of business which only enhances the number of prostitutes on the streets

6. There has been an increase in the number of domestic residences opening as brothels which is now legal, this has created alot of strain in surburban communities where young families are prevelant as the 24 hour per day activity brings many undesirables into the area, properties surrounding domestic brothels have decreased in value and school children in the 15-17 year old bracket have more relaxed attitudes to the profession than others who dont normally come into contact with it

7. There has been a rise in the number of neglected children as single parents use their home as a brothel and whilst they are entertaining clients, their children are left to fend for themselves, there is also grave concern that these children will be in danger of attack by the prostitutes clients or open to danger from offers made by the prostitutes clients

8. There has been an increase in STD's abortions and AIDS. The homo community has been especially vulnerable and instances of STD and AIDS related cases have increased by over 62%, whether this is because of more homo people entering into the profession or just a general disinterest in taking precautions is unknown

As you can see, the legalisation of prostitution has benefited noone, and yet I still choose option 1. I see no reason for prostitution to be illegal, personal choice should be just that, I also think that all incomes sources should attract taxation.

[leftcider]

Quote by: Seeker_Of_Sins Prostitution became legal in NZ three years back. 1.The result has been a rise in street prostitutes rather than parlour prostitutes, (one of the points raised in favour of decrimilisation was that prostitutes with criminal convictions couldnt work in parlours and were therefore more vulnerable so legalising prostitution would create a safer environment for workers), the opposite has been the case. 2. There has been a dramatic rise in child prostitution, the legalising of prostitution has legitimised the work and therefore more young people enter it because the social taboos have been removed 3. There has been an increase of violence towards prostitutes and an increase in the number of murders on prostitutes, the belief is that possible gang related issues are in play 4. The cost has actually come down and now prostitutes are earning less and having to pay tax for the privilige 5. Parlours compliance costs have increased causing many to go out of business which only enhances the number of prostitutes on the streets 6. There has been an increase in the number of domestic residences opening as brothels which is now legal, this has created alot of strain in surburban communities where young families are prevelant as the 24 hour per day activity brings many undesirables into the area, properties surrounding domestic brothels have decreased in value and school children in the 15-17 year old bracket have more relaxed attitudes to the profession than others who dont normally come into contact with it 7. There has been a rise in the number of neglected children as single parents use their home as a brothel and whilst they are entertaining clients, their children are left to fend for themselves, there is also grave concern that these children will be in danger of attack by the prostitutes clients or open to danger from offers made by the prostitutes clients 8. There has been an increase in STD's abortions and AIDS. The homo community has been especially vulnerable and instances of STD and AIDS related cases have increased by over 62%, whether this is because of more homo people entering into the profession or just a general disinterest in taking precautions is unknown As you can see, the legalisation of prostitution has benefited noone, and yet I still choose option 1. I see no reason for prostitution to be illegal, personal choice should be just that, I also think that all incomes sources should attract taxation.

Source please?

[underbear1]

Lawrence vs. Texas made old sodomy laws VOID!
The term for a male prostitute is a HUSTLER.

btw. oral sex and anal sex, those are done by heterosexuals too......just wanted to make you aware.

[PatrickHenry]

Quote by: Compugasm Gangstas won't be cool anymore. Instead of saying "Gotta keep my pimp hand strong" it will become "Gotta keep my pimp certification up to date".

LOL!

And Seeker, could you please post some confirmation of your statements? Is there a study or a news article?

And I certainly don't anticipate that decriminalization would result in no taxation whatsoever. I figure whores would just pay taxes like anyone else in business. Which means filing a Schedule C under the current IRS tax regime...

[Seeker_Of_Sins]

Quote by: leftcider Source please?

for an overview of NZ law
Prostitution Law Reform - Ministry of Justice

For results
Scoop: Prostitution Act continues to fail
Facts

[Seeker_Of_Sins]

feminist blogs » Prostitution about half way down the page is a good article with many reference links

[Spy_007]

I think that government should oversee prostitution. That way they can insure that
all the pros have aids. This can help the spread of the disease, and thereby
cut down on over population. While they're at it, maybe they could make smoking
mandatory in restaurants. A few extra cases of lung cancer could also help
with the overpopulation thing. A relaxation of the drunk driving laws might also
be in order. Think how we could cut down on population if everyone drove
drunk. This would also help the oil shortage, by getting rid of some drivers.

[PatrickHenry]

Spy_007: Go away, troll...

[Spy_007]

Okay, I'm leaving until you apologize.