Are women encouraging rape?

[Technosoul]

Sometimes the police will ask questions relative to the question posed here.

Do some women dress to provocative or sexy - does that encourage rape?
Some women pose naked for money for publication - does that encourage rape?
Some women flirt with everyone in a teasing manner - does that encourge rape?
Some women get sloppy drunk and behave like easy "scores" - does that encourge rape?

Is it time for women to take some responsibilty or is it all the man's fault - being he is the one acturally taking the action to respond blindly to what he sees as overpowering temptation.

Are my first four examples a lot of hogwash, as most lawyers and judges would stepulate.

Give your opinions if you want to debate on this topic,

[Mia]

I duuno - is taunting me with the money you have in hopes of gaining sex or a relationship grounds for me to rob your house if you don't follow through with giving any of it to me?

Maybe not a perfect analogy, but close enough, given the games women and men play and what they often hold as bargaining chips.

Or maybe women could not be held to blame if they went psycho on a guy and ruined his life over the promise of a relatationship when all it was was sex and she was then dumped?

Obviously, my answer is no, these behaviors on women's part do not justify rape

[The Dunedan]

Man's fault, 100%. The choice not to rape is precisely identical to the choice not to murder: right vs wrong, black vs white. No grey areas on this one. The moment a lady says "no" ( unless you've got a safeword, but we won't go into that ) is the moment everything STOPS. Period. No exceptions. Anyone who ignores such a demand deserves to be shot by his intended victim.

The arguement could be made that a person was unable to distinguish right from wrong, and was therefore criminally insane, if rape were commited while the rapist was under the influence. However, I've never been so drunk I couldn't tell the difference between right and wrong, nor have any of the other chemicals I've tried reduced me to such a state. It would seem to me that "I was drunk!" is just another excuse, and a flimsy one at that.

[tinybear]

Don't be absurd. Unless a woman goes around with a sign around her neck which says: "Rape me and pay no heed even if I say No", it's the guy's fault, so don't get any funny ideas, OK?

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[jd420]

Umm... uhh...

No.

The arguments you present come from a patriarchal victorian "virgin/whore" dualism. One in which "good girls" stay under their father's thumb in the basement in a burkha until they're sold off in marriage, and anything that happens to anything else is "okay" because "she wask asking for it."

It's this shit that's created the lifelong victimhood of "damaged goods" - which is frankly bullshit. Rape is fucked up, it does NOT mean that the person who was raped is "worthless" or "ruined" or has "lost her purity," or any of the other psychobabble bullshit which basically amounts to "fuck you bitch, you got raped."

Let's see... what are some of the examples you gave of a rapists' justification under this virgin/whore binary bullshit?

>Do some women dress to provocative or sexy - does that encourage rape?

I wonder - if a woman puts on a dress in a nudist colony, is she "asking for it" because she started wearing clothes?

Okay, I'll admit, it's a facetious mockery... but for fucks sake, "I'll rape your ass if you aren't in a burkha in a fundamentalist society" is frankly one of the sickest threats their is, and also has a social outcome I'd rather not see. Facist Islamotheocracy (like the US homegrown version which perverts christianity) may or may not be a good place to visit. I certainly do not want to live there, and I sure as HELL don't want people to go out and rape people to MAKE me live there.

>Some women pose naked for money for publication - does that encourage rape?

No, but I don't want you threatening to rape people if I don't censor my porn, either.

>Some women flirt with everyone in a teasing manner - does that encourge rape?

Dude? *I* flirt with people I'll never schlup. And if they end up trying to rape me, they'll end up with problems using their windpipe.

In fact, I *only* flirt with people I *don't* schlup.

And no, you have no right to rape me if I don't change my culture to match yours, either.

Throughout the ages, rape has been a weapon of enforcement of a repressive and facist culture. Dress how we tell you, or you deserve it. Speak how we tell you, or you deserve it. Submit to your inferiority to males, or you deserve it.

...and if someone rapes you anyway? Then, you're damaged goods, and too worthless to be sold into marriage - so you deserve it anyways.

Frankly, it's one of the more fucked-up means of social control ever invented, and I for one reject the construction entirely.

[brien]

Quote by: Technosoul Sometimes the police will ask questions relative to the question posed here. Do some women dress to provocative or sexy - does that encourage rape? Some women pose naked for money for publication - does that encourage rape? Some women flirt with everyone in a teasing manner - does that encourge rape? Some women get sloppy drunk and behave like easy "scores" - does that encourge rape? Is it time for women to take some responsibilty or is it all the man's fault - being he is the one acturally taking the action to respond blindly to what he sees as overpowering temptation. Are my first four examples a lot of hogwash, as most lawyers and judges would stepulate. Give your opinions if you want to debate on this topic,

Rape has absolutely nothing to do with sexuality and for someone to suggest this is to focus upon a red herring. Rape is all about violence against a woman.

[brien]

Quote by: Technosoul Sometimes the police will ask questions relative to the question posed here. Do some women dress to provocative or sexy - does that encourage rape? Some women pose naked for money for publication - does that encourage rape? Some women flirt with everyone in a teasing manner - does that encourge rape? Some women get sloppy drunk and behave like easy "scores" - does that encourge rape? Is it time for women to take some responsibilty or is it all the man's fault - being he is the one acturally taking the action to respond blindly to what he sees as overpowering temptation. Are my first four examples a lot of hogwash, as most lawyers and judges would stepulate. Give your opinions if you want to debate on this topic,

Rape has absolutely nothing to do with sexuality and for someone to suggest this is to focus upon a red herring. Rape is all about violence against a woman.

[puellamore]

As brien says, rape is a crime of violence against women (and other human beings). As such it is definitely wrong.

That being said, though, there is a problem with the way that our society deals with human sexuality and that does figure into the equation somewhat. And it could be argued (albeit speciously) that when a woman teases a man into believing that she is going to bestow sexual favors on him to obtain gifts and/or money from him and then leaves him high and dry, this is also a crime of psychological violence. So it is a very complex issue.

[brien]

Quote by: puellamore As brien says, rape is a crime of violence against women (and other human beings). As such it is definitely wrong. That being said, though, there is a problem with the way that our society deals with human sexuality and that does figure into the equation somewhat. And it could be argued (albeit speciously) that when a woman teases a man into believing that she is going to bestow sexual favors on him to obtain gifts and/or money from him and then leaves him high and dry, this is also a crime of psychological violence. So it is a very complex issue.

Puellamore: All that you write is a factor in rape but NO means NO. The only problem I have with rape is the "Cry Wolf" syndrome which is what I think we are seeing in Durham NC today with the three Duke kids. They all have solid alibis and the more they dig into this victim's past, the more they find how crooked she really is now.

Women who claim rape falsely only harm other women who may be less likely to report rape, since they would draw the spotlight on their credibility.

[tman_ndsu08]

Quote by: The Dunedan Man's fault, 100%. The choice not to rape is precisely identical to the choice not to murder: right vs wrong, black vs white. No grey areas on this one. The moment a lady says "no" ( unless you've got a safeword, but we won't go into that ) is the moment everything STOPS. Period. No exceptions. Anyone who ignores such a demand deserves to be shot by his intended victim.

Yeah that helps a lot when the female is drunk and practically dragging a man by his shirt into her bed only to wake up the next morning, not remember anything, and claimed to be raped.

[Technosoul]

And so as I reveiw the commnets (with exception of one poster) that women are not in anyway responsible for encouraging their own rape, or the rape of other women, by their behavior or because they like to be sexy to attact the one-and-only Mr Right.

I would agree with the popular opinion, and even in marrage sex should be a gift, an act of love, and not something taken without sober consent, otherwise it is stealing and would be simular to stealing anything else that gift or paid for in a socially acceptable manner.

Likewise consent should not the effect of deceptions or lies - and false promises. Nor even intimadated by peer pressure to be popular or acceptable.

Most men would not even apporve if all women dressed in sack dresses like they had to do in Afganistan - as men prefer more fantasy and fewer facts - when it comes to picking a mate.
Same with women as they prefer romance and just the basic bip bam aspects of reproduction.

That is to say, men do not want a mom or daughter that is a sex symbol, but they like a girlfriend that is, which can cause some confusion in the barnyard.

Rules might change if you are a rich basketball player. They always want to win and "no can do" is not in their book of laws.

I am not sure if all rape is (always) an act of violence as some people claim. It can also be more of an ego-trip with aggressive people who cannot stand rejection when it comes to getting their way all the time. Some guys have big egos and believe their are god's gift to women and and... well, you know what I mean.

But some women posted about this topic - so I have another queston - is seduction the same as rape and what is the real difference? The girl might say no as she is not in the mood and so the guy keeps trying, and trying, until she is in the mood. Or is she really "in the mood"? Sometimes or never "not really"?

What about drinking wine to "get into the mood" - that I do not comprehend... why must someone be sloppy drunk before having sex? That is like being a coward and unable to fight until you have a few beers.

Then we have "power tripping". Using sex to prove who is the boss. The fact is women are the boss because they are sexy ones of the gender duelaity ( in counting gays?). And yet men (sometimes) think that being physically stronger and agressive is "sexy" to women - right or wrong?

Now I will end up with a song sung by a female group form the 1980s ...

I might like you better if we slept together - never say never. Hmm, never say never? Does that mean no - no for ever and ever?

Anyway, the No Nos won this dabate hands down, did not hear even a whimpering from the He Man section of this forum. Women's liberaton has won.

The only real problem remaining is that "no" is apparently not working all that well, as according to some stats - 3 women are raped every minute of the day (or something like that?). It seems that all the educating and all the laws put on the books is not having the effects expected - now what?

[Marilyn Monroe]

Quote by: Technosoul Sometimes the police will ask questions relative to the question posed here. Do some women dress to provocative or sexy - does that encourage rape? Some women pose naked for money for publication - does that encourage rape? Some women flirt with everyone in a teasing manner - does that encourge rape? Some women get sloppy drunk and behave like easy "scores" - does that encourge rape? Is it time for women to take some responsibilty or is it all the man's fault - being he is the one acturally taking the action to respond blindly to what he sees as overpowering temptation. Are my first four examples a lot of hogwash, as most lawyers and judges would stepulate. Give your opinions if you want to debate on this topic,

Men can control themselves.

I think that if a man lets a woman tease him, he's guilty, too.

As far as provocative clothing. I don't think that intiates rape. A man can imagine what is under the clothes even when a woman is dressed in a non-provacative manner. Don't think that's it, either.

Now a woman who starts the process, and goes half way, that's wrong, but still a man can go masturbate, no rape is ever necessary.

[Zhavric]

Quote by: Technosoul Does technosoul dress to provocative or sexy - does that encourage rape? Technosoul flirts with everyone in a teasing manner - does that encourge rape? Technosoul gets sloppy drunk and behaves like an easy "score" - does that encourge rape?

"Yes to all, you saucey minx. You've been parading your arse around volconvo.com for too long. I know you've been leading me on. Now get over here and put out!"

/turns off teh sexual predator

Remember, kids: men get raped too and rape isn't about sex. It's about power.

All four of the points that you brough up in your original post are COMPLETELY arbitrary and subjective. They can be applied to any women in any situation.

[Kite]

Those factors only contribute to men staring at women in a creepy way more than they usually would. This doesn't mean however, that the woman has a right to be offended that a man is staring at her when all she has on is a mini-skirt that is at about butt-cheek level and a bikini top on.

[brien]

Quote by: tman_ndsu08 Yeah that helps a lot when the female is drunk and practically dragging a man by his shirt into her bed only to wake up the next morning, not remember anything, and claimed to be raped.

This is not rape. It is consensual sex. Whether or not she remembers, is irrelevant. That said, it is a foolish man in today's society that beds down with a drunken stranger. This only invites serious problems, one of which could be rape charges. He would be better off masturbating in front of his favorite pin up.

[Samildanach]

Take an isolated instance where a woman might be a full on sub without knowing it, she enjoys consentual 'rape' and then might scream rape later on when her friends have convinced her otherwise, that this isn't 'normal'. what do you do in that scenario?

[Kite]

Well in that scenario, you better have some type of proof that she consented to it beforehand, or you're pretty much screwed.

[Samildanach]

He would be better off masturbating in front of his favorite pin up.

Yes but its so much less dangerous and much less exciting. Do you want to live life or watch it go by?

[5010]

It's night and there's a jewelry store flaunting diamonds under bright lights, but the windows have bars, the reinforced door is barricaded, a pack of guard dogs prowls inside, and a sign indicates the presence of security alarms monitored at all times.

Down the street is another jewelry store, but instead of bars, reinforcements, dogs, and alarms, they simply draw the shades shut at night and turn out the lights to keep from drawing attention to the store.

I say neither store will provoke an honest citizen into becoming a burglar. But guess what? There are burglars out there.

So which one is going to get hit, the less vulnerable one flaunting the goods, or the more vulnerable one obscuring the goods?

Knowing that there are sexual predators out there, who is the bigger target, the scantily clad model shaking her goods on the crowded dance floor lined with bouncers, or some woman dressed in a burkha walking alone and unarmed down a lonely unlit street at night?

[Samildanach]

less vulnerable one of course....if they go to those lengths to secure it, it must have something REALLY worth stealing inside.