Teaching a daughter

[Kite]

Teach her to use protection, and to use her head before doing anything with anyone. Since I'm a man who is heterosexual, I don't think I should be teaching her anything about how to handle her sexual preferences since I lack the...qualifications, as it were.

[phoenix_fire]

Quote by: brien I believe the "jury" is still out on whether sexual oroentation is a learned beahvior, as in Pavlov's Dogs, or if it generic in nature as in imprinting. Since you cited Pavlov's dogs, perhaps you could consider "imprinting" of ducklings as well. Clearly imprinting is not a learned behavior because they will imprint upon a substitute mother.

Well, I wasn't citing it specifically to prove that homosexuality is learned. I was just using it to refute the study he cited. I was saying that the reaction to the pheromone was learned. That isn't all that much of a leap.

I personally think that homosexuality is a choice. I know that there is no definite proof either way. There are, however, people on this board and on this thread who will swear on whatever it is they hold holy that it is genetic, that people are wired that way, that there's nothing anyone can do about it, and that people better get used to it. They will also swear there is conclusive proof. This is obviously a lie.

[bugsbunny04]

Im amazed noone else has responded to the effect of "chasing pussy". I guess Im the only one who sees the irony. Either that or the only with a mind filthy enough to appreciate it.

[brien]

Quote by: phoenix_fire Well, I wasn't citing it specifically to prove that homosexuality is learned. I was just using it to refute the study he cited. I was saying that the reaction to the pheromone was learned. That isn't all that much of a leap. I personally think that homosexuality is a choice. I know that there is no definite proof either way. There are, however, people on this board and on this thread who will swear on whatever it is they hold holy that it is genetic, that people are wired that way, that there's nothing anyone can do about it, and that people better get used to it. They will also swear there is conclusive proof. This is obviously a lie.

I see your point but no matter what anyone says, there is not conclusive proof that I know about with regard to homosexuality being either learned or genetic. My younger brother is homosexual and I have observed him from the time he was born in 1955 and I still couldn't say it is learned behavior with any reasonabe certainty because I don't know of anyone who would have taught him this. Myself and my other siblings are all heterosexual. I only know he is happy in his sexual persuasion and this is all that matters to me.

[underbear1]

http://www.eurekalert.org/pub_releas...-gri012705.php

Genetic regions influencing male sexual orientation identified
In the first-ever study combing the entire human genome for genetic determinants of male sexual orientation, a University of Illinois at Chicago researcher has identified several areas that appear to influence whether a man is heterosexual or gay.
The study, which is currently available online, will be published in the March issue of the biomedical journal Human Genetics.

UIC's Brian Mustanski, working with colleagues at the National Institutes of Health, found stretches of DNA that appeared to be linked to sexual orientation on three different chromosomes in the nucleus of cells of the human male.

"There is no one 'gay' gene," said Mustanski, a psychologist in the UIC department of psychiatry and lead author of the study. "Sexual orientation is a complex trait, so it's not surprising that we found several DNA regions involved in its expression."

"Our best guess is that multiple genes, potentially interacting with environmental influences, explain differences in sexual orientation."

The genomes of 456 men from 146 families with two or more gay brothers were analyzed.

While earlier studies had focused solely on the X chromosome, one of the two sex chromosomes, the present study examined all 22 pairs of non-sex chromosomes in addition to the X chromosome. The other sex chromosome, called Y, was not explored because it is not believed to contain many genes.

Identical stretches of DNA on three chromosomes -- chromosomes 7, 8 and 10 -- were found to be shared in about 60 percent of the gay brothers in the study, compared to about 50 percent expected by chance. The region on chromosome 10 correlated with sexual orientation only if it was inherited from the mother.

"Our study helps to establish that genes play an important role in determining whether a man is gay or heterosexual," said Mustanski. "The next steps will be to see if these findings can be confirmed and to identify the particular genes within these newly discovered chromosomal sequences that are linked to sexual orientation."


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Other researchers involved in the study were Dean Hamer, at the National Institutes of Health; Nicholas Schork and Caroline Nievergelt, at the University of California at San Diego; Michael DuPree, at Pennsylvania State University; and Sven Bocklandt, at the University of California at Los Angeles.

The study was supported in part by grants from the National Science Foundation and the National Institutes of Health.

UIC ranks among the nation's top 50 universities in federal research funding and is Chicago's largest university with 25,000 students, 12,000 faculty and staff, 15 colleges and the state's major public medical center. A hallmark of the campus is the Great Cities Commitment, through which UIC faculty, students and staff engage with community, corporate, foundation and government partners in hundreds of programs to improve the quality of life in metropolitan areas around the world.

For more information about UIC, visit www.uic.edu.

[underbear1]

http://www.foxnews.com/story/0,2933,145754,00.html

“It builds on previous studies that have consistently found evidence of genetic influence on sexual orientation, but our study is the first to look at exactly where those genes are located,” says researcher Brian Mustanski, PhD, a psychologist at the University of Illinois at Chicago.

* note this is published on FOX News, hardly some pro-gay site.

[Kite]

Its fox news! That stuff isn't real. :rolleyes:

[underbear1]

Back to raising a little "diaper dyke", (don't get all bent out of shape by this term, my lesbian friends use it ALL the time)

This is a good resource of notable lesbians she should know about.
http://www-lib.usc.edu/~retter/database.html
and here is a good research site for everything lesbian
http://library.auraria.edu/libq/lesbian.html

[Zhavric]

My 20 points warrented no discussion? :(

[underbear1]

"but there will never be a moment when I will not love her "

this is the RIGHT answer

[brien]

Quote by: underbear1 http://www.foxnews.com/story/0,2933,145754,00.html “It builds on previous studies that have consistently found evidence of genetic influence on sexual orientation, but our study is the first to look at exactly where those genes are located,” says researcher Brian Mustanski, PhD, a psychologist at the University of Illinois at Chicago. * note this is published on FOX News, hardly some pro-gay site.

Underbear; As much as many people want sexual orientation to be genetic, it still can't be catagorically stated that it is fact. Evidence may "lean" that way, but before I come down on the side of genetics, I will wait until itis a proven fact. Like I wrote in another post, my brother is gay. I have known him since he was born in 1955 and I don't know anyone that would have "taught" him to be gay. I take that as powerful personal evidence for genetics, but I can't use that as proof positive.

FOX NEWS???? Me thinks you would use this source when it pleases you, but when it doesn't, ahhh, they're just not credible. Doesn't say much for your manner of argument there now does it? What is that saying, "What is sauce for the goose is also sauce for the gander".

[bugsbunny04]

Quote by: underbear1 "but there will never be a moment when I will not love her " this is the RIGHT answer

That is not the correct answer. It shouldnt even be an answer. It should go without saying.

[underbear1]

Quote by: bugsbunny04 Quote by: underbear1 "but there will never be a moment when I will not love her " this is the RIGHT answer That is not the correct answer. It shouldnt even be an answer. It should go without saying.

The thousands of gay/lesbian teens tossed out on the streets to fend for themselves, because their parents can't/won't deal with a queer offspring..........says differently

[Zhavric]

Quote by: brien Underbear; As much as many people want sexual orientation to be genetic, it still can't be catagorically stated that it is fact. Evidence may "lean" that way, but before I come down on the side of genetics, I will wait until itis a proven fact. Like I wrote in another post, my brother is gay. I have known him since he was born in 1955 and I don't know anyone that would have "taught" him to be gay. I take that as powerful personal evidence for genetics, but I can't use that as proof positive.

Well, what exactly are you waiting for, hoss?

A "gay gene"? Not going to happen. Why? Because it's most likely a grouping of genes and chemical make-up.

Consider that your body has no "right arm" gene. It has a few hundred genes that make up all the bits that come together to form your right arm.

[underbear1]

Having the human genome only mapped a few years ago, pretty much explains why one complicated trait involving multiple genes is perfectly proven. This isn't scientific but in 30 years of being openly gay, I haven't met ONE gay/lesbian or bisexual who said they CHOOSE to be attracted to the same sex...............I can't figure out why straights won't accept the fact, that the people who are attracted to their own sex, nearly unanimously say the same thing, "not a choice"

[tman_ndsu08]

Quote by: underbear1 Back to raising a little "diaper dyke"

Is that supposed to mean that because a child is raised by two lesbians that it will automatically be a lesbian?

[underbear1]

Quote by: tman_ndsu08 Quote by: underbear1 Back to raising a little "diaper dyke" Is that supposed to mean that because a child is raised by two lesbians that it will automatically be a lesbian?

Unfortunately NO
Gay or lesbian parents have no higher incidence of producing a gay or lesbian child than straight parents.

[tman_ndsu08]

Ok, I was going to say that.

[brien]

Quote by: Zhavric Well, what exactly are you waiting for, hoss? A "gay gene"? Not going to happen. Why? Because it's most likely a grouping of genes and chemical make-up. Consider that your body has no "right arm" gene. It has a few hundred genes that make up all the bits that come together to form your right arm.

I am not a scientist PAW. I accept your group of genes explanation for the physical make up of an arm but it still needs to be scientifically proven that homosexuality is genetic. You have the scientific proof as published by the accepted medical community ? Show us.

[underbear1]

What exactly will happen the day scientists produce irrefutable evidence sexual orientation isn't chosen?