Teaching a daughter

[Scribbler1]

Values, common sense, the difference between right and wrong, and a thirst to know everything there is to know. Beyond that I think she can work the rest out pretty much on her own.

[bugsbunny04]

Not sure Im qualified to teach her anything. I would try to be an example of the values I live by, and I would expose her to the activities that I enjoy: rugby, marksmanship, hiking, music, literature and chasing pussy. But thats just me.

[phoenix_fire]

Quote by: Protostar Yes, cause I'm sure people just wake up one day and say "I'm going to start being attracted to the same sex, just for fun even though I'll be ostracized from a good bit of the population!!! Yay for me!!!" :rolleyes:

You know, I hate when people are intentionally obtuse. People make plenty of choices that get them "ostracized from a good bit of the population". People choose to cheat on their wives or husbands because they are "in love" and "it feels right". Sure, they don't wake up and say "I'm going to start being attracted to my secretary at work", but it happens. In fact, there are points when these people probably wouldn't find their spouse attractive, but that's not an excuse for infidelity. It's the same logos. People choose to do a lot of things because they think they need to: drinking, drugs, murder. These things aren't socially acceptable either. Does the fact that we want to do them make them right? I think not.

[Seeker_Of_Sins]

Quote by: underbear1 She's bright, cute, athletic, healthy, and lesbian. Discuss what you would teach her?

This whole question makes no sense......bright, cute, athletic, healthy and lesbian are irrelevant to the teaching of a child, daughter or son

A child learns from a desire to experience new things and to be exposed to new ideas. All children are the same in this regard. As for athletic, if the child has an interest in sports she will get involved in them and as a parent, you would support that by watching her games, coaching etc

The lesbian thing is misleading, how old is the child, is the question purely theoretical because you are a homo and want to gauge whether children that you view as homo should be treated differently?

See.......your question makes no sense, well at least not to me

[underbear1]

Quote by: phoenix_fire Quote by: Protostar Yes, cause I'm sure people just wake up one day and say "I'm going to start being attracted to the same sex, just for fun even though I'll be ostracized from a good bit of the population!!! Yay for me!!!" :rolleyes: You know, I hate when people are intentionally obtuse. People make plenty of choices that get them "ostracized from a good bit of the population". People choose to cheat on their wives or husbands because they are "in love" and "it feels right". Sure, they don't wake up and say "I'm going to start being attracted to my secretary at work", but it happens. In fact, there are points when these people probably wouldn't find their spouse attractive, but that's not an excuse for infidelity. It's the same logos. People choose to do a lot of things because they think they need to: drinking, drugs, murder. These things aren't socially acceptable either. Does the fact that we want to do them make them right? I think not.

This argument is NOTHING like how one is wired to being attracted to one sex or another, by your example it would be do you have an affair with the secretary or pool boy.Sexual orientation isn't a choice, and is immutable after the age of 3yo. Your religious beliefs don't alter that scientific FACT!
You only need to look at the children of Phyliss Schlafly and Alan Keyes to know those kids would have had an INFINITELY easier life if they could just have chosen to be straight.....they couldn't.
Aversion therapy and electroshock doesn't alter orientation, I personally know a MCC minister who was so self loathing in his 20's he tried electroshocks.

[Seeker_Of_Sins]

Quote by: phoenix_fire I would teach her that sexual preference is a choice and that just because we want to do a thing, it does not mean that we should.

You are right about sexual preference being a choice phoenix

[underbear1]

I selected to question members about what they'd want for THEIR child, if it happened to be lesbian.
It is theoretical, for some, for all I know we may have a parent of a lesbian here. I didn't want the issue of orientation directed about me or my personality, because that ends up a flamefest. But I was curious if the same straight people using anti-gay slurs could put themselves in the role of a parent of a queer kid.

[westcoastdog]

Apparent phoenix_fire and sin seeker have never had a friendship with gays. From an early age, I was attracted to girls; I didn't have to be taught. My gay friends, some of whom I've known for decades, said they were always attracted to other boys. Most of them tried to be heterosexual and dated girls, but it was all for nought. Recent psychological studies have shown that gay men respond differently than straight men to sexual stimuli.

In May, Swedish researchers reported finding important differences in how the brains of straight men and gay men responded to two compounds suspected of being pheromones - those scent-related chemicals that are key to sexual arousal in animals. The first compound came from women's urine, the second from male sweat. Brain scans showed that when straight men smelled the female urine compound, their hypothalamus lit up. That didn't happen with gay men. Instead, their hypothalamus lit up when they smelled the male-sweat compound, which was the same way straight women had responded. http://www.boston.com/news/globe/mag...es_people_gay/ http://www.newscientist.com/article.ns?id=dn7358

Phoenix and Sin... should read the Boston news article and hopefully learn something.

[Seeker_Of_Sins]

Quote by: underbear1 I selected to question members about what they'd want for THEIR child, if it happened to be lesbian. It is theoretical, for some, for all I know we may have a parent of a lesbian here. I didn't want the issue of orientation directed about me or my personality, because that ends up a flamefest. But I was curious if the same straight people using anti-gay slurs could put themselves in the role of a parent of a queer kid.

and...........? What have you learnt?

[Seeker_Of_Sins]

westcoast, the debate on the gay lifestyle has been done to death, please feel free to read any of the dozens of threads on this site for opposing opinions.

Is there a gene common to all homosexuals that is missing from all hetrosexuals?.....NO

Homosexuality is a lifestyle choice IMO......no biggie, pork whomever you will, but at least have the courage to admit responsibility for your chosen actions rather than impose acceptance on me because you cant accept that you made a choice

Also sex is instinctual, and therefore sex between members of the same sex is a hetrosexual thing because the urge to breed is instinctual and defines hetrosexuality

If you wanted to be truelly homosexual, you wouldnt have sex at all, you would simply just prefer the company of members of the same sex......then we would call you friends

Homosexuality is a sexual perversion chosen by its participants as a lifestyle choice

[underbear1]

There are physical differences between straight men's brains and gay men's brain, gay men have more connectors between hemispheres, which might explain our ability to access our creativity more readily. Of course my favorite physical difference between gay men and straight men is..... on average gay men are BETTER hung. Ya know when straight women say the best ones are gay,,,,,,,,,,,yep!

[westcoastdog]

Sin seeker: Homosexuality is a sexual perversion chosen by its participants as a lifestyle choice

Homosexuality is found in almost all mammalian species, and even practiced by birds. You ought to read about bonobo chimps, and I guess you never raised rabbits, horney little devils.

Give off your pulpit and read: http://www.boston.com/new...kes_people_gay/ .

[another day]

What the hell is up with this thread? Weirdest topic ever...what would you teach a lesbian daughter? Where did this come from anyways?

[brien]

Quote by: underbear1 There are physical differences between straight men's brains and gay men's brain, gay men have more connectors between hemispheres, which might explain our ability to access our creativity

You have any proof of this by citing Medical studies?

[bugsbunny04]

Quote by: underbear1 There are physical differences between straight men's brains and gay men's brain, gay men have more connectors between hemispheres, which might explain our ability to access our creativity more readily. Of course my favorite physical difference between gay men and straight men is..... on average gay men are BETTER hung. Ya know when straight women say the best ones are gay,,,,,,,,,,,yep!

I thought it was because they were better at dressing themselves and more femenine insight...

But what the hell do I know, Im a troglodyte.

[G. Adams]

Quote by: underbear1 There are physical differences between straight men's brains and gay men's brain, gay men have more connectors between hemispheres, which might explain our ability to access our creativity more readily.

Or it could simply be that men are conditioned to believe that "real men" don't do creativity, that's for sissies. Gay men however have not already broken out of that mentality by declaring themselves gay to begin with, but are surrounded by creative gay men anyway, so have heroes they can openly look up to. There arn't a massive amount of creative straight icons within the stereotypically gay fields - hair dressing, fashion etc Nor are these fields so publicly pushed as other creative fields - music, acting etc, so straight men have even less impetus to pursue a career down those roads.

[Zhavric]

20 things Zhavric would teach to his hypothetical lesbian daughter:

1) That she is loved by her father. Throughout her life I will be proud of her, mad at her, amazed by her, disapointed in her, amused by her and every other emotion parents experience... but there will never be a moment when I will not love her and there's absolutely nothing she can do to change it. Until the day I die, I will be by her side through good times and bad. I'm going to get frustrated and mad and make mistakes along the way, but she'll just have to forgive me as I forgive her.

2) Education is important and must be persued. This covers the entire spectrum from being book-smart to streetwise.

3) People can be good. People can be generous, brave, inspiring and courageous. They can lift you up when you're down and see you through whatever problem you're facing. Good people can be trusted.

4) People can be bad. People can be petty, hateful, spiteful, mean and demeaning. They can kick you while you're down and take away almost anything you hold dear. Bad people are not to be trusted.

5) The goodness or badness of a person is dependent ONLY on their actions and words. Period. No class of person is inherently good or bad.

6) In life, all you'll ever really have of imporance are your family, your friends, and you're integrity. Cherish all of them.

7) Friendships and relationships are hard and take work, effort and understanding. Sometimes it's better to be wrong with friends than right and alone.

8) I would teach her about memes, how they can be abused, and how people will behave when infected with certain ones.

9) The world is not fair. Anything you want requires work. Hard work. Do not expect hand-outs, but accept them where they are availbale with a "thank you" and be generous.

10) I would teach her that she has to be one of the good guys in this world because there's too many badguys.

11) I would enroll her in a self defense class from an early age and teach her about boys and how they sometimes think (yes, I know she's a lesbian).

12) I would encourage her to play sports and teach her that eating right and exercising is important.

13) I would tell her "no" when appropriate.

14) I would keep her away from corporate advertising as much as I could (see memes above).

15) I would teach her about her great grandparents who lived the American dream by fleeing Hitler and coming to America to become puppeteers. I would teach her about where she came from.

16). I would teach her about prominent lesbians and as many minorities as I can find knowlege about. Knowledge dispells ignorance.

17) I would teach her to think critically and examine every situation carefully. I would teach her that there are a lot of con men in the world and to try not to fall victim to them.

18) I would teach her that not everyone is as well off as she is.

19) I would teach her there is no god, but people who claim there is one should be evaluated on a case by case basis.

20) I would remind her... I would remind her about point number 1.

[phoenix_fire]

Quote by: westcoastdog Apparent phoenix_fire and sin seeker have never had a friendship with gays. From an early age, I was attracted to girls; I didn't have to be taught. My gay friends, some of whom I've known for decades, said they were always attracted to other boys. Most of them tried to be heterosexual and dated girls, but it was all for nought. Recent psychological studies have shown that gay men respond differently than straight men to sexual stimuli. Phoenix and Sin... should read the Boston news article and hopefully learn something.

Sooo...we're talking about practicing homo- and heterosexuals? Sounds more like a case of conditioned behavior to me. Behaviorism 101. Dogs hear a bell every time they're about to be fed. The idea of food makes them salivate. Dogs begin to associate the sound of the bell with being fed. Soon, the sound of the bell alone makes them salivate. The hippocampus is associated with memory. Therefore, the response to the pheromone is one that involves the access of previous sexual experiences. The mind remembers the pheromone from previous encounters. It would not remember the other variety. Your study proves nothing.

I hope you've learned something.

[underbear1]

By your premise phoenix fire heterosexuality is as much a choice, but no one is telling them to control their sexual urges,and attractions.Humans are affectionate and sexual beings, to deny that, denies a very basic instinct of the species.Human infants if denied being held, and human touch will die.

[brien]

Quote by: phoenix_fire Sooo...we're talking about practicing homo- and heterosexuals? Sounds more like a case of conditioned behavior to me. Behaviorism 101. Dogs hear a bell every time they're about to be fed. The idea of food makes them salivate. Dogs begin to associate the sound of the bell with being fed. Soon, the sound of the bell alone makes them salivate. The hippocampus is associated with memory. Therefore, the response to the pheromone is one that involves the access of previous sexual experiences. The mind remembers the pheromone from previous encounters. It would not remember the other variety. Your study proves nothing. I hope you've learned something.

I believe the "jury" is still out on whether sexual oroentation is a learned beahvior, as in Pavlov's Dogs, or if it generic in nature as in imprinting.

Since you cited Pavlov's dogs, perhaps you could consider "imprinting" of ducklings as well. Clearly imprinting is not a learned behavior because they will imprint upon a substitute mother.