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Marilyn Monroe · May 10, 2006, 06:48 am

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another day, there but for the grace of God, go you. You could be that pedophile. Our sexual responses are the result of imprinting and this imprinting will not go away just because a person wants it to. That is why the man shoot himself. I feel terribly sad for him, and I am as concerned about your lack of sympathy as would be concerned about pedophiliac, because both are having an emotional reaction that excludes the consciousness of another's expereince and appropriate compassion.

He didn't want to be as he was, but actually hated himself for it. How sad. He could not change it. Something happened to him that imprinted this sexual behavior in him, and the same could have happened to you. I guess you were lucky because it appears it didn't happen to you.

Why are we so hard on each other because of our sexuality, especially when it is different? I am remind of the wolves that can turn on an injured wolve and kill it. I think this extreme intolerance for differences, must be a primitive instinct. It clearly is not judgement based on information about our sexuality.

There are lines that you don't cross with sexuality. If you know right from wrong, and all normal adults do, then going after kids is out of the question. You know it's wrong, so you don't do it, like stealing, murder, or anything that is wrong.

Pedophilia and being a child molester are two different things.

There are ages of consent, and that's the law. You can marry a child with parental consent in most states, and then you could have sex with them, but I would think even that has limits age-wise.

We have primitive instincts that can be controlled, and also there is masturbation if you can't control yourself, or all sorts of sex toys out there.

I think showing compssion is fine, but that needs to have limits, too.

The Bacon Guy · May 10, 2006, 11:27 am

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A 13 year old is far below the age that she can legally give consent. What would you wish the sentance to be if was your 13 year old daughter?

In Scotland, 13 is only three years below the age of consent. As to the "what if it was your daughter" question, I can't really answer that, because I hate childeren and am going to avoid having them at all cost. (I'm actually trying to make myself sterile). However, I think if I did have a daughter who felt she was ready to start having sex, I probably wouldn't have a problem with it and I certainly wouldn't want people going to prison over it.

Samildanach · May 10, 2006, 12:04 pm

Of course they do its just a bit more insidious than physical cancer. Cancer of the mind...

Kite · May 10, 2006, 12:50 pm

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Of course they do its just a bit more insidious than physical cancer. Cancer of the mind...

So...pedophiles are crazy? How insightful.

You can tell the really mentaly ill ones from the rest, because they don't think what they are doing is wrong.

Kite · May 10, 2006, 01:21 pm

My father is slowly dying before my eyes from lung cancer. Please do not make light of it in my presesnce.

another day · May 10, 2006, 06:20 pm

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A 13 year old is far below the age that she can legally give consent. What would you wish the sentance to be if was your 13 year old daughter?

Actually, in canada she is only one year away from consent...Thats right, the age of consent in Canada is 14.

Marilyn Monroe · May 11, 2006, 06:05 am

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Actually, in canada she is only one year away from consent...Thats right, the age of consent in Canada is 14.

If you take all the countries in the world the average age is 16.

The US is state by state, and it varies from 14 to 18.

Is this age of consent for sex or marriage? Just wondering. That would make a difference if marriage were involved.

**Matt W** · May 11, 2006, 08:00 am

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That would make a difference if marriage were involved

Umm...I'm just curious how a marriage at the age of 14 can be anything other than arranged? Just a thought.

Marilyn Monroe · May 11, 2006, 04:07 pm

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Umm...I'm just curious how a marriage at the age of 14 can be anything other than arranged? Just a thought.

Is the legal age to have sex 14 or is that the legal age for marriage? If you are going to have sex at 14 you should be allowed to get married without Mom & Dad's consent.

Apeman81 · May 11, 2006, 07:43 pm

Are paedophiles evil?

Way to generic, as the act does not define the person.

Is pedophilia evil?

Beyond any doubt.

another day · May 12, 2006, 01:18 am

Yes the age of consent of 14 in canada has to do with sex...not sure about marriage...

but yes, in canada a 40 year old could legally date and have sex with a 14 year old as long as the man held no form of authority over her (ie: teacher, parent, coach etc.)

Marilyn Monroe · May 12, 2006, 05:55 am

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Yes the age of consent of 14 in canada has to do with sex...not sure about marriage...

but yes, in canada a 40 year old could legally date and have sex with a 14 year old as long as the man held no form of authority over her (ie: teacher, parent, coach etc.)

Thanks for the info!

Canada has different ages of consent. 14 is for heterosexuals, but they also have 16 & 18 for homosexuals, unless this has been changed. Very confusing all of it.

I know a lot of polygamists here in the states go for the young wives, to me they are perverted and dirty old men, nothing more.

I really think adolescent sex is different from pre-pubescent, but still it's unnecessary, and seems like it would have a power element to it. Stupid in MHO.

Lepid · May 12, 2006, 07:42 am

"Are paedophiles evil?

Do you think it is acceptable to be sexually attracted to childeren?

Do we need to understand paedophiles rather than condemn them?

Should it be accepted that sexual attraction towards a child is evil?

Or is paedophillia simply wrong?

Discuss..."

OK thanks for at least asking some questions, I personally am having quite a lot of trouble with them!

All together, you asked five questions and I will concisely attempt to answer them.

1. "Are paedophiles evil?"

(OK firstly, I think the questions' answers will be quite similar, or at least the way in which I answer them will probably be quite interlinked!)

OK, am I evil? this is much the same question, for I am attracted to young girls aged 8-13.

So firstly, pedophile = yes and to answer the question of whether pedophiles are evil per se, I should have to answer the question of whether I am evil?

OK evil is a problematic concept, but I have to interpret this question as well I can and this seems to force me to assume the basic meaning meaning is 'bad' or 'harmful' in an intentional way.

So am I a 'bad type'?

Well..I believe myself to be above all honest, and caring for the younger generation.
I am anti-war and anti-violence which makes me a type of pacifist.
I do not nick cars or mug old grannies or anything anti-social.

So no, I would not say that I am not of an 'evil' nature.

But does this answer the question?

To answer it in full, I must accept the accusation that I might one day actually purposefully harm a child as valid, because to be 'evil' (and that is the exact word used!!) requires taking pleasure in and planning an act which is actually truly harmful in itself.

And the answer is again 'no' - I simply do not wish to harm girls in any way, including the
sexual one.

Ok moving on to the second quezzie - which is even more entertaining for it's sheer ignorance.....

"Do you think it is acceptable to be sexually attracted to children ?"

Implying whether we should allow this orientation to exist at all it would seem!

The fact is, pedophilia, which is an orientation, is perfectly valid as it is something which is innate and hence the reason why pedophiles will not simply disappear.
What you are really asking is whether these people should be exterminated - which is either genocide, or if you envision simply eradicating the genes - and this will be a mammoth task for sure! - for pedophila it then becomes eugenics!

Genocide...eugenics......Jews???? ... Nazis!!!!!

By the way it might turn out, that if you tried to wipe out the polygene for pedophilia, you
might just be removing all of the people who care the most about children...

And then we'd be left with only you! :eek:

Third question, which is nice and short and sweet - just the way I likes 'em!

"Do we need to understand paedophiles rather than condemn them?"

I believe I ahve already made an adequate demonstration of the abject lack of understanding of this orientation, so I won't bother...

"Should it be accepted that sexual attraction towards a child is evil?"

You seem to be asking, 'should we not just question, "Is what we are doing in labelling this orientation as invalid and just plain wrong the right thing to do?"

It is a good place to start, anyway...

Lastly.."Or is paedophillia simply wrong?"

I thought this was just repetitious, until I realized it was just a continuation of the fourth question - indeed it sounds like it should have been part of it....

Lepid · May 12, 2006, 07:50 am

"If you are trolling for pedophiles here, you best go somewhere else because you won't find them here amoungst the regulars. You are wasting your time with this subject because we all think that pedophelia is not only wrong, but immoral, illegal, and a crime. If you are interested in our opinions, do the research in the archives. It is all there."

This reminds me of a line from The Planet of the Apes

"....then how do you account for me!!"

The Bacon Guy · May 13, 2006, 09:39 am

I wanted to write a reply to Lepid's posts but there's really not much to say. I would have to agree with pretty much everything he wrote (although the nazi analogy was perhaps reading into things a bit too much). Other than that, this was probably one of the most sensible posts so far.

Lepid · May 13, 2006, 11:18 am

Thanks.

You yourself are not attracted to 'young ones' yourself are you?

Excuse me if even I am a little paranoid

PS you must forgive me if I came across as irate!! :(

talinh · May 17, 2006, 03:27 pm

is it realy right for other to say what i could do?or not do. who i love and who i hate... who are you and how do you know whats best for me? or the kids you diside for all the time...
my point is all you who beleave you know some one by the things thay do or the people thay love..
as long as thay are not hurting the people thay thay love i dont think it conserns anyone but those people ....so i say it just is thare is nothing you could do about it....

lock em up yeah but when you do that you cause more problums... kill em yeah but then you go to jail..hate em yeah but then you was time hateing someone you never meet for resons that are well not that good... kick thare butt why chance getting beat up yourself.... so what is the reson to hate them so where you molested as a child? so was i and i dont hold it agenst them thay surverd thare time for it and if anything we should spind our time helping others no condeming them for this stuff

puellamore · May 17, 2006, 04:11 pm

To answer the question actually requires a little more information, or should I say clarification. To say that having sex with an underage person is making the assumption that having sex is harmful. I would agree with this in most cases where size and/or physical development are at issue. But if there is no physical harm to be caused, where is the danger? In the realm of psychological harm? And what is the source of this harm if both participants consent to the activity? Perhaps the source of the harm is the damage done to the underage participant by the society telling them that they were wrong for enjoying the activity; that they were manipulated and taken advantage of; that they are a victim and can never be normal again.

Rightness or wrongness depends upon your perspective as it relates to human sexuality. If you are an apologist for the current archaic attitudes toward human sexuality, then I'm sure that you will feel that sex with an underage person is doubly dirty because it is a perverted variation of sexuality which is dirty to begin with. But if you consider sexual activity to be fun, and something to be shared by two individuals who want to enjoy each other and want to give enjoyment to each other, then there is nothing wrong with it.

It's only when society starts attaching all kinds of baggage to it that human sexuality becomes evil and something to be hidden away from "decent" folk.

talinh · May 17, 2006, 05:20 pm

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YES, IT IS AN EVIL THING AND LET'S JUST LEAVE IT AT THAT

Obviously, you find the thought of sex with childeren repugnant, as do I. However, there are clearly people out there who don't. I am sure these peole didn't choose to have these urges, but nevertheless, they are there.
Obviously, Going out and raping a child is wrong. But if a person wakes up one morning to find he has these urges, does he automatically become evil in your view?

hello thare i am new for give my spelling...since i dont realy care about what most you think.. what about the pedofiles that dont rape or molest them????oh my god what if the kid is the one pushing it? or by some weard chance what if its the kid that wants to be with that person... you barly posted this and you just see a little of the hate that thay see look at these people who say youll go to hell for it.. god dosent say anything about it...
thay use unrational ideas and false beleaves
dont all of you think thay dont fill the effects of being outcast for thare beleaves and constanly being told how evil/stupid/dead thare are or how thay are monsters/freak and what ever else... its funny with all you have alreaty done to these people you want to hurt them more

and even though i know i will get it alot here i dont beleave that just because someone cant spell well thare ideas should still be as valid and the next mans

bruce lee · May 17, 2006, 05:25 pm

bassically look at it this way.
england taboos sexual orientated stuff particularly sex education. guess what, we have the highest rate of teenage pregnances in the world because of it.

saying pedophiles are evil is just like saying its evil to be black or evil to be gay. it is not a choice someone has the ability to make. do you really think anyone in their right mind would choose to be shunned from society? choose to never be able to express their emotions in a positive way? choose to be considered the lowest level of scum? i dont think so guys.

there are basically two types of pedophiles, those who understand and exept who and what they are and who understand the feelings they have and there are those who try to ignore themselves. try to pretend they are "normal" people. well funilly enough it is the kind that repress there feelings for kids that are the so called evil kid. yes thats right they are doing exactly what they think society pushes them to do which is to not be a pedo but it backfires. it does not take a psychologist to know that if you repress your true feelings and emotians you turn into an emotionless psychopath.

a type 1 pedophile, as in one that exepts themselves, would never hurt a child. on the contrary they love them. i has little to do with sex but more to do with relationships and love. i cannot stand poeple who just go "pedos are evil cos they molest kids". oh please guys give me a break. thats about as true as me saying that all french people wear strippy tops and eat onions or that all german poeple eat sasages. please try to fight the sterotypes that you are feed by todays media and society because thats what makes a pedophille evil, as they are not evil by nature. we make them evil by shunning them into the pits of hell despite all they want to do is love. no way should you EVER make an argument without looking at both sides and fully understanding something before hand. it angers me SO much when people make rash decisions like that!!

May 10, 2006, 12:04 pm	#83 (permalink) (top)
Samildanach Pragmatist Location: UK London Posts: 1,979	Of course they do its just a bit more insidious than physical cancer. Cancer of the mind... I wouldn't recommend sex, drugs and insanity for everyone, but its always worked for me. Never think that war, no matter how necessary, nor how justified, is not a crime." (Ernest Hemingway)

May 10, 2006, 01:21 pm	#85 (permalink) (top)
Kite Evil Overlord Location: A Geofront, somewhere in Antarctica Posts: 938	My father is slowly dying before my eyes from lung cancer. Please do not make light of it in my presesnce. I know your type. You think, "I'll just get me a costume, rip off the neighborhood kids." Next thing you know, you've got a jet shaped like a skull with lasers on the front! -The Monarch

May 12, 2006, 07:42 am	#93 (permalink) (top)
Lepid Sedimentary Rock Location: northern england Posts: 18	"Are paedophiles evil? Do you think it is acceptable to be sexually attracted to childeren? Do we need to understand paedophiles rather than condemn them? Should it be accepted that sexual attraction towards a child is evil? Or is paedophillia simply wrong? Discuss..." OK thanks for at least asking some questions, I personally am having quite a lot of trouble with them! All together, you asked five questions and I will concisely attempt to answer them. 1. "Are paedophiles evil?" (OK firstly, I think the questions' answers will be quite similar, or at least the way in which I answer them will probably be quite interlinked!) OK, am I evil? this is much the same question, for I am attracted to young girls aged 8-13. So firstly, pedophile = yes and to answer the question of whether pedophiles are evil per se, I should have to answer the question of whether I am evil? OK evil is a problematic concept, but I have to interpret this question as well I can and this seems to force me to assume the basic meaning meaning is 'bad' or 'harmful' in an intentional way. So am I a 'bad type'? Well..I believe myself to be above all honest, and caring for the younger generation. I am anti-war and anti-violence which makes me a type of pacifist. I do not nick cars or mug old grannies or anything anti-social. So no, I would not say that I am not of an 'evil' nature. But does this answer the question? To answer it in full, I must accept the accusation that I might one day actually purposefully harm a child as valid, because to be 'evil' (and that is the exact word used!!) requires taking pleasure in and planning an act which is actually truly harmful in itself. And the answer is again 'no' - I simply do not wish to harm girls in any way, including the sexual one. Ok moving on to the second quezzie - which is even more entertaining for it's sheer ignorance..... "Do you think it is acceptable to be sexually attracted to children ?" Implying whether we should allow this orientation to exist at all it would seem! The fact is, pedophilia, which is an orientation, is perfectly valid as it is something which is innate and hence the reason why pedophiles will not simply disappear. What you are really asking is whether these people should be exterminated - which is either genocide, or if you envision simply eradicating the genes - and this will be a mammoth task for sure! - for pedophila it then becomes eugenics! Genocide...eugenics......Jews???? ... Nazis!!!!! By the way it might turn out, that if you tried to wipe out the polygene for pedophilia, you might just be removing all of the people who care the most about children... And then we'd be left with only you! :eek: Third question, which is nice and short and sweet - just the way I likes 'em! "Do we need to understand paedophiles rather than condemn them?" I believe I ahve already made an adequate demonstration of the abject lack of understanding of this orientation, so I won't bother... "Should it be accepted that sexual attraction towards a child is evil?" You seem to be asking, 'should we not just question, "Is what we are doing in labelling this orientation as invalid and just plain wrong the right thing to do?" It is a good place to start, anyway... Lastly.."Or is paedophillia simply wrong?" I thought this was just repetitious, until I realized it was just a continuation of the fourth question - indeed it sounds like it should have been part of it.... Last edited by Lepid; May 12, 2006 at 07:46 am.

May 13, 2006, 11:18 am	#96 (permalink) (top)
Lepid Sedimentary Rock Location: northern england Posts: 18	Thanks. You yourself are not attracted to 'young ones' yourself are you? Excuse me if even I am a little paranoid PS you must forgive me if I came across as irate!! :( Last edited by Lepid; May 13, 2006 at 11:21 am.

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bruce lee Sedimentary Rock Posts: 2	No Never Taboo Anything bassically look at it this way. england taboos sexual orientated stuff particularly sex education. guess what, we have the highest rate of teenage pregnances in the world because of it. saying pedophiles are evil is just like saying its evil to be black or evil to be gay. it is not a choice someone has the ability to make. do you really think anyone in their right mind would choose to be shunned from society? choose to never be able to express their emotions in a positive way? choose to be considered the lowest level of scum? i dont think so guys. there are basically two types of pedophiles, those who understand and exept who and what they are and who understand the feelings they have and there are those who try to ignore themselves. try to pretend they are "normal" people. well funilly enough it is the kind that repress there feelings for kids that are the so called evil kid. yes thats right they are doing exactly what they think society pushes them to do which is to not be a pedo but it backfires. it does not take a psychologist to know that if you repress your true feelings and emotians you turn into an emotionless psychopath. a type 1 pedophile, as in one that exepts themselves, would never hurt a child. on the contrary they love them. i has little to do with sex but more to do with relationships and love. i cannot stand poeple who just go "pedos are evil cos they molest kids". oh please guys give me a break. thats about as true as me saying that all french people wear strippy tops and eat onions or that all german poeple eat sasages. please try to fight the sterotypes that you are feed by todays media and society because thats what makes a pedophille evil, as they are not evil by nature. we make them evil by shunning them into the pits of hell despite all they want to do is love. no way should you EVER make an argument without looking at both sides and fully understanding something before hand. it angers me SO much when people make rash decisions like that!!

May 11, 2006, 07:43 pm	#90 (permalink) (top)
Apeman81 Hot Lava Posts: 1,302	Are paedophiles evil? Way to generic, as the act does not define the person. Is pedophilia evil? Beyond any doubt.

May 12, 2006, 01:18 am	#91 (permalink) (top)
another day slipping sand Posts: 1,977	Yes the age of consent of 14 in canada has to do with sex...not sure about marriage... but yes, in canada a 40 year old could legally date and have sex with a 14 year old as long as the man held no form of authority over her (ie: teacher, parent, coach etc.)

May 12, 2006, 07:50 am	#94 (permalink) (top)
Lepid Sedimentary Rock Location: northern england Posts: 18	"If you are trolling for pedophiles here, you best go somewhere else because you won't find them here amoungst the regulars. You are wasting your time with this subject because we all think that pedophelia is not only wrong, but immoral, illegal, and a crime. If you are interested in our opinions, do the research in the archives. It is all there." This reminds me of a line from The Planet of the Apes "....then how do you account for me!!"

May 13, 2006, 09:39 am	#95 (permalink) (top)
The Bacon Guy Away Location: Scotland, Central Lowlands Posts: 3,190	I wanted to write a reply to Lepid's posts but there's really not much to say. I would have to agree with pretty much everything he wrote (although the nazi analogy was perhaps reading into things a bit too much). Other than that, this was probably one of the most sensible posts so far.

May 17, 2006, 03:27 pm	#97 (permalink) (top)
talinh a big thinker Posts: 69	is it realy right for other to say what i could do?or not do. who i love and who i hate... who are you and how do you know whats best for me? or the kids you diside for all the time... my point is all you who beleave you know some one by the things thay do or the people thay love.. as long as thay are not hurting the people thay thay love i dont think it conserns anyone but those people ....so i say it just is thare is nothing you could do about it.... lock em up yeah but when you do that you cause more problums... kill em yeah but then you go to jail..hate em yeah but then you was time hateing someone you never meet for resons that are well not that good... kick thare butt why chance getting beat up yourself.... so what is the reson to hate them so where you molested as a child? so was i and i dont hold it agenst them thay surverd thare time for it and if anything we should spind our time helping others no condeming them for this stuff

May 17, 2006, 04:11 pm	#98 (permalink) (top)
puellamore Molten Ash Posts: 67	To answer the question actually requires a little more information, or should I say clarification. To say that having sex with an underage person is making the assumption that having sex is harmful. I would agree with this in most cases where size and/or physical development are at issue. But if there is no physical harm to be caused, where is the danger? In the realm of psychological harm? And what is the source of this harm if both participants consent to the activity? Perhaps the source of the harm is the damage done to the underage participant by the society telling them that they were wrong for enjoying the activity; that they were manipulated and taken advantage of; that they are a victim and can never be normal again. Rightness or wrongness depends upon your perspective as it relates to human sexuality. If you are an apologist for the current archaic attitudes toward human sexuality, then I'm sure that you will feel that sex with an underage person is doubly dirty because it is a perverted variation of sexuality which is dirty to begin with. But if you consider sexual activity to be fun, and something to be shared by two individuals who want to enjoy each other and want to give enjoyment to each other, then there is nothing wrong with it. It's only when society starts attaching all kinds of baggage to it that human sexuality becomes evil and something to be hidden away from "decent" folk.