Double Standard?

[Slapjak]

Blacks with lower SAT scores may still get admitted to UF

Found this article today and thought it was interesting. Years ago Gov. Bush created the One Florida Initiative, which forbid considering race in University acceptance and state employment. Now according to this article different ethnic groups are held to different standards when being considered for admission...or at least thats how it appears on first reading. The justification used for this practice is that the SAT, among other standardized test, favor middle and upper class white test takers.

UF is right to view the SAT with skepticism, said Jay Rosner, executive director of the Princeton Review Foundation, a nonprofit organization that provides test preparation to underprivileged students. Rosner analyzed more than 200,000 SAT questions and concluded that they were all "white-preference questions" that placed black students at a disadvantage.

I guess one of my questions is how do the test "white-preference questions"? Is it the hypothetical situations used? Or the names of the hypothetical people used in the questions (Which I always remember being extremely culturally diverse names that many of which I had never even heard)? And then there is the mathematics, if it is the hypothetical situations used among the reading and writing, wouldn’t that have zilch to do with the mathematics sections?
And my second question is do you think it's right for the University of Florida to continue this practice of seemingly holding a particular ethnic group to a different standard that others?

[Egoist]

Its nonsense that is used to hide the irrefutable fact of genetic differences in intelligence. Many claims have been made - blacks due to the perception by society that they perform inferior to whites on standardized tests are more "nervous" and score worse for that reason; black culture calls scholarly black kids "traitors" or "whitey" which causes them to underperform because they don't want to be percieved as white; blacks are still feeling the effects of racism today, like a runner shackled at the start of a race.
What is really funny is you won't see any bias twoard asians. Asian's actually perform superiorally to whites, on average in America on IQ tests, their average being 103 while the average caucasian is 100.
To quote Frederick Douglas "if the negro can't stand on his own two feet, let him fall." I do not think any racial exceptions should be made in any respect. Nothing should supercede merit.

[PatrickHenry]

Quote by: Egoist ...the irrefutable fact of genetic differences in intelligence....

Gee, I hope you're not saying what I think you're saying. Race based intelligence assumptions are hard to prove and constitute a serious breach of etiquette.

[another day]

Exactly, a breach of etiquette, it's socially taboo. We can continue to delude ourselves on the basis of political correctness, but those differences do exist on some level I'm sure.

IMO, whites are more intelligent then blacks in left-sided brain areas, while blacks are more intelligent in right-sided brain areas. This would explain why there are so many famous and amazing black musicians, dancers, artists etc. I also think blacks have better social skills. Asians seem to be better at alot of stuff...

IMO, its foolish to dismiss differences in average intelligent among the races. Seems like a very plausible thing and from what I've seen over the years they exist. Perhaps alot of it is social influence, or conditioning on what they as a race are supposed to be like. But at least some of it must be genetic.

But of course I'm just gonna get yelled at for being a racist bigot blah blah blah. Of course we're all totally equal, never mind all the differences because they don't exist.

Please, I'm not saying one race is superior to the other but only that there are huge differences. Why do people seem intent on discarding any of those differences for this false hope of "total equality"? Race is NOT just "the color of your skin" it encompassed tons of genetic differences and people need to accept this. There are countless differences between the races physically. They have different body structure, different facial structure, different hair and skin genes. Yet suddenly, it is completely farfetched to suggest that, gee, there might be differences in the mind too? Ridiculous isn't it.

[another day]

Besides, what the hell is a white preference question in today's society? These aren't fresh off the boat immigrants we're dealing with, they are black people that have likely grown up their entire lives in the same society as white people...So what kind of question could be preferential to whites? It makes no sense.

[Egoist]

the immigrant/cultural arguement is fallacious because asian immigrants score as high if not higher than natural born americans. There are genetic differences in IQ and general intelligence, leading research suggests that as much as 80% of your final IQ is genetically dependant (you can find this info all out on gnxp, search the site). Patrickhenry is just a member of the thought police, pay no attention to him.

[PatrickHenry]

Quote by: Egoist Patrickhenry is just a member of the thought police, pay no attention to him.

I'M with the Thought Police?

Quote by: Egoist the immigrant/cultural arguement is fallacious because asian immigrants score as high if not higher than natural born americans. There are genetic differences in IQ and general intelligence

Let's see some research. And how the hell do you determine someone's race? And by "natural born Americans", are you referring to any specific race?

I should warn you to tread carefully here, because there are consequences for racist comments, on volconvo.

[tinybear]

Hey, all you fellas who are against racism should be against affirmative action. Affirmative action IS racism. There's no denying it.

[tinybear]

Quote by: PatrickHenry I should warn you to tread carefully here, because there are consequences for racist comments, on volconvo.

What if the comments, though racist, are true? Would the *ahem* "consequences" still ensue?

[Egoist]

Patrickhenry your IQ is really low isnt it? Let's see... Quote by: Egoist
the immigrant/cultural arguement is fallacious because asian immigrants score as high if not higher than natural born americans. There are genetic differences in IQ and general intelligence
The arguement that cultural cues play an important role in how an individual scores on an IQ test is fallacious because East Asian immigrants do as well if not better than "natural born americans" (you know people born in America). Does that make more sense now? Are you done mr wanna be thought cop, pathetic...

[Chris the Chees]

The reason why black people score lower on IQ tests is because IQ tests are culturally and socially bias. This is an excepted fact even from the creators of such tests.

http://www.liberalartsandcrafts.net/...ial/bias.shtml

Patrickhenry your IQ is really low isnt it? Let's see... Quote by: Egoist the immigrant/cultural arguement is fallacious because asian immigrants score as high if not higher than natural born americans. There are genetic differences in IQ and general intelligence The arguement that cultural cues play an important role in how an individual scores on an IQ test is fallacious because East Asian immigrants do as well if not better than "natural born americans" (you know people born in America). Does that make more sense now? Are you done mr wanna be thought cop, pathetic...

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[Egoist]

No it isnt, sorry. If that was the case, east asian immigrants who know far less about american culture, than a black born in this country, would do worse, they beat most americans. PS i get my information from genetic studies and books, not websites that start with the name "liberal..", you'd be better off getting your scientific information from unbias sources.

[Chris the Chees]

Quote by: Egoist No it isnt, sorry. If that was the case, east asian immigrants who know far less about american culture, than a black born in this country, would do worse, they beat most americans. PS i get my information from genetic studies and books, not websites that start with the name "liberal..", you'd be better off getting your scientific information from unbias sources.

No... if you had read up information even from the creators of the tests they accept that they are culturally bias.

http://www.wilderdom.com/personality...turalBias.html

http://www.academon.com/lib/essay/term-paper-46514.html

[Egoist]

your missing my point, culturally bias or not, how are people from a foreign culture, doing better than native people from within the culture???? East Asian immigrant vs black born in the US, guess who is on average over one standard deviation higher? Well since its culturally bias according to you, the black should do better right? False

[Chris the Chees]

Quote by: Egoist your missing my point, culturally bias or not, how are people from a foreign culture, doing better than native people from within the culture???? East Asian immigrant vs black born in the US, guess who is on average over one standard deviation higher? Well since its culturally bias according to you, the black should do better right? False

No, you are missing the point, it is culturally bias because subcultures within the same society are forced into different socio-economic conditions which have an effect on education and social value, etc. I am willing to bet that there is a far more significant correlation between IQ and socio-economic class than there is between race and IQ, other than that black people are subjected to the worst conditions within society.

The Asian example however does not fit the theory because, the culture they are from encourages academic excellence.

[Kite]

...pwnt.