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Slapjak · Apr 30, 2006, 02:05 am

Parents Want Charges in Boot Camp Death

Pathologist: Beating Caused Boot Camp Death

Furor Grows Over Boot Camp Death

I haven't been on these boards in quite some time...but looking through them tonight I failed to see anything about the Martin Lee Anderson case after searching through the pages. These articles are compiled over the past four months since the death of a 14 year old black boy at a Bay County (Panama City, FL) juvenile boot camp. There is video in the first clip of the boy being beaten by a number of guards under the supervision of the camp nurse. The articles explain everything that has happened since the boys January death to present...last week a sit in was held in Gov. Jeb Bush's office by a number of students from FSU, FAMU, and Tallahassee Community College demanding justice be served. Days later a march was held here in Tallahassee to demand answers and to ensure justice is served. I hope you all read the articles...this is truly a tragic story with a great loss to the young boy's family. Let me know what you think...

tinybear · Apr 30, 2006, 02:34 am

Abolish boot camps. Problem solved.

another day · Apr 30, 2006, 03:15 am

Agreed. Boot camps should be banned.

**Jack** · Apr 30, 2006, 12:37 pm

For a country founded on the concept of freedom we certainly seem to think that brainwashing and forced obedience will solve our problems with wayward kids, military discipline and the electorate. This was a social experiment doomed to failure from day one. Shame on the parents who allowed their kids to be dumped into these camps. Their responsibility to properly parent their children is not absolved by letting the state parent for them.

PatrickHenry · Apr 30, 2006, 02:27 pm

Wikipedia is covering it: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Martin_Lee_Anderson

Assaults should not be allowed at youth correctional facilities. I have no problem with youth programs to redirect criminal boys, like boot camps. But assault by guards and ultimately wrongful death or murder is not necessary to the program.

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The cause of death has been a matter of controversy.

If the death was from the beating, somebody has to be punished...

bugsbunny04 · Apr 30, 2006, 02:44 pm

You guys are speaking as if guards in boot camps are allowed or instructed to beat the kids. Okay, just because a few guards were bad...does that mean we should abolish it all? Should we abolish prison too? How about cops, not all cops are saints, some cops break the law, should we abolish the police? Lets just all be anarchists and let everyone go about all willy nilly and be completely darwinistic...fyi that is sarcasm.

Im not saying that I think boot camp is a real solution or that I support boot camp. Im simply pointing out that so far people have leaped to the conclusion that it should be abolished without making any sort of argument for their point of veiw. I personally think that what the guards did was lazy. What they did was not an example of military discipline. Making him do flutter kicks, push ups, duck walks, running in place, holding a 10 pound stick over his head, putting him in the "front leaning rest position" or at a half squat ith his arms out in front of him for inordinate periods of time...that is military discipline, and beleive me, it is VERY effective.

**Jack** · Apr 30, 2006, 03:28 pm

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that is military discipline, and beleive me, it is VERY effective.

Physical discipline is only a small part of what these youths need. They also need to learn discipline in their behaviors and thought processes.
I've been through basic training and psychological warfare school. They are two different methodologies with different goals.

Morgan_Freeman · Apr 30, 2006, 03:37 pm

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Quote by: Isherwood

Physical discipline is only a small part of what these youths need. They

Do you have any ideas on how to accomplish that?

**Jack** · Apr 30, 2006, 03:58 pm

Not exactly, as I'm not involved in that field. I might start by having them go back and apologize to their victims, even if it were only their own family, and learn that their actions have ramifications they didn't consider. I might suggest some role-playing situations in which they were placed in the position of the victim to learn empathy and the results of their behaviors.
What they need to learn is that all their actions have real world effects, how those effects can come back to haunt them and how to be responsible for their actions.

Slapjak · Apr 30, 2006, 07:16 pm

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Quote by: tinybear

Abolish boot camps. Problem solved.

The boot camp system here in the state has been eliminated...
Legaslative deal trades boot camps for 'softer' youth program

Apr 30, 2006, 02:05 am	#1 (permalink) (top)
Slapjak FARMHOUSE Location: Florida State University Posts: 33	14 Year Old Boy Beat to Death in Bay County Boot Camp Parents Want Charges in Boot Camp Death Pathologist: Beating Caused Boot Camp Death Furor Grows Over Boot Camp Death I haven't been on these boards in quite some time...but looking through them tonight I failed to see anything about the Martin Lee Anderson case after searching through the pages. These articles are compiled over the past four months since the death of a 14 year old black boy at a Bay County (Panama City, FL) juvenile boot camp. There is video in the first clip of the boy being beaten by a number of guards under the supervision of the camp nurse. The articles explain everything that has happened since the boys January death to present...last week a sit in was held in Gov. Jeb Bush's office by a number of students from FSU, FAMU, and Tallahassee Community College demanding justice be served. Days later a march was held here in Tallahassee to demand answers and to ensure justice is served. I hope you all read the articles...this is truly a tragic story with a great loss to the young boy's family. Let me know what you think... Get correct views of life, and learn to see the world in its true light. It will enable you to live pleasantly, to do good, and, when summoned away, to leave without regret. -Robert E. Lee

Apr 30, 2006, 12:37 pm	#4 (permalink) (top)
Jack formerly Isherwood Location: San Diego, CA Posts: 12,870	For a country founded on the concept of freedom we certainly seem to think that brainwashing and forced obedience will solve our problems with wayward kids, military discipline and the electorate. This was a social experiment doomed to failure from day one. Shame on the parents who allowed their kids to be dumped into these camps. Their responsibility to properly parent their children is not absolved by letting the state parent for them. The Forum Rules Radical Atheist Heathen Queer Let's agree to respect each others views, no matter how wrong yours may be. (Ashleigh Brilliant)

Apr 30, 2006, 02:44 pm	#6 (permalink) (top)
bugsbunny04 Untrained Fodder Location: Alabama Posts: 1,354	You guys are speaking as if guards in boot camps are allowed or instructed to beat the kids. Okay, just because a few guards were bad...does that mean we should abolish it all? Should we abolish prison too? How about cops, not all cops are saints, some cops break the law, should we abolish the police? Lets just all be anarchists and let everyone go about all willy nilly and be completely darwinistic...fyi that is sarcasm. Im not saying that I think boot camp is a real solution or that I support boot camp. Im simply pointing out that so far people have leaped to the conclusion that it should be abolished without making any sort of argument for their point of veiw. I personally think that what the guards did was lazy. What they did was not an example of military discipline. Making him do flutter kicks, push ups, duck walks, running in place, holding a 10 pound stick over his head, putting him in the "front leaning rest position" or at a half squat ith his arms out in front of him for inordinate periods of time...that is military discipline, and beleive me, it is VERY effective. Clean toe caps and a filthy mouth! Low morals and high morale!

Apr 30, 2006, 03:58 pm	#9 (permalink) (top)
Jack formerly Isherwood Location: San Diego, CA Posts: 12,870	Not exactly, as I'm not involved in that field. I might start by having them go back and apologize to their victims, even if it were only their own family, and learn that their actions have ramifications they didn't consider. I might suggest some role-playing situations in which they were placed in the position of the victim to learn empathy and the results of their behaviors. What they need to learn is that all their actions have real world effects, how those effects can come back to haunt them and how to be responsible for their actions. The Forum Rules Radical Atheist Heathen Queer Let's agree to respect each others views, no matter how wrong yours may be. (Ashleigh Brilliant)

Apr 30, 2006, 02:34 am	#2 (permalink) (top)
tinybear Volcanic Erupter Location: Hong Kong (for now) Posts: 7,003	Abolish boot camps. Problem solved.

Apr 30, 2006, 03:15 am	#3 (permalink) (top)
another day I have been warned Posts: 1,778	Agreed. Boot camps should be banned.