Ugly women good or bad?

[Samildanach]

Had an interesting debate with my gf on the weekend. we have an open relationship currently, ie she has a lover she ses once a week and currently I am looking. Went out on the weekend and ended up getting horrifcally drunk and snogging 'in my gf's opinion an ugly bird which she found highly insulting' I will put my hand up as guilty for this one as I was pretty drunk at the time. Then I got to thinking.

You know....ugly birds might be the way to go....after all you dont have to chat them up, you dont have to buy them drinks and they are just plain grateful to go home with you.
The fact is you can put in zero effort and if you are only after a one night stand then it beats hanging around with a group of guys all trying to score one woman when you could be drinking...call me shallow but thats the way I am beginning to see it

[Athena]

Quote by: Samildanach Had an interesting debate with my gf on the weekend. we have an open relationship currently, ie she has a lover she ses once a week and currently I am looking. Went out on the weekend and ended up getting horrifcally drunk and snogging 'in my gf's opinion an ugly bird which she found highly insulting' I will put my hand up as guilty for this one as I was pretty drunk at the time. Then I got to thinking. You know....ugly birds might be the way to go....after all you dont have to chat them up, you dont have to buy them drinks and they are just plain grateful to go home with you. The fact is you can put in zero effort and if you are only after a one night stand then it beats hanging around with a group of guys all trying to score one woman when you could be drinking...call me shallow but thats the way I am beginning to see it

Yeah, you are right, that thought was very shallow! You might watch the video "Shallow Hal Wants a Gal", as it deals with your question. It was this kind of thinking that caused me to create a rule for myself. What starts in the bar ends in the bar.

It is narissistic to think a woman would be grateful to go home with someone so shallow. They will feel good if they believe you desire them and want to be with them, but that is a lie isn't it? It isn't them you desire, but only satisfying your own need at the moment, and when they realize this, it is very painful! This is called using and because it results in hurting someone, I don't think this is an admirable thing to do. Often when people get involved in such using relationship, both the male and female can become hardened users, and this has a negative effect on the whole of society. It leads to accepting this as reality and what to expect in our relationships. Not a good thing. It seriously harms human dignity and trust.

I hope you at least use a condom to avoid becoming infected, and spreading disease.

Sterilization is best for avoiding pregnancy. Personally, unless a man is sure he is steril, I don't think you he should be having sex with a woman, he can not love and honor, and rasie a child with, so I also hope you have taken care of that too. Unless, you can realize how harmful this behavior is to others and society as a whole, it might not be a good thing for you to reporduce.

[Osborn F Enready]

What are deemed by most as "ugly chicks" are actually just women with as much "hand" as men.

An ugly chick, is about as close as a "female" can get to percentage of success as the "average" guy going out on his best night, and trying to get laid.

I have dated both sides of the spectrum, and I have come to dislike "most" women who do these three things:

1.) Read "Vogue, Womans Day, Redbook, Cosmopolitan, Seventeen, etc, etc, etc,".

2.) Go out for a "night on the town" with NO money. (drink whores)

3.) Insist you accept "her friends" while she constantly rips apart "your friends".

Every single trait above is not exclusive to, but trademark of "cute girls, hotties, babes and dolls", hence the reason I enjoy turning them down at almost every chance I can anymore. You only have to be burned once or twice before you realize, "hey, that isn't worth the effort." LOL

That is why everyone dreams of making it with a babe (male or female). Because 9 times out of 10 the couple hours worth of joy, don't make up for the eons worth of nagging, headaches, prissyness, or festering over their "appearance" including the billions of dollars and hours that will be consumed shopping for jewelry and clothes she will NEVER wear enough to make either a "sensible" purchase.

Since when does showing affection get measured by how outrageously stupid you are with your money in adoring the one you care about with useless, overpriced CRAP?

I say find the nice medium. Not hot, not ugly, just sexy in raw form without the warpaint and layers of hairspray.

My favorite makeup for women is "gun oil" by Remington, or "bearing grease" by Lubriplate.

[Monica]

I suppose out of the two responses thus far, I could best agree with Osborne. Athena is just not from this reality if she thinks people are not screwing just for the sake of screwing, and I would hope that we have all screwed people that we would never actually associate with in the sober light of day. That is the actual definition of a one night stand, is it not?

That being said, advertising that you are trying to make an intellectual case for this type of behavior, the pros and cons of beautiful women versus ugly ones, etc., does not say as much about your date for the evening as it does about you and possibly your lack of experience in these matters. You should be aware, positively, that the woman you were with last night actually chose you, and she is right now telling her friends and Internet forum of her choice "you know, I just did not feel like doing the make up and the perfumed pussy last night, so I just picked the drunkest loser in the bar."

[PatrickHenry]

Quote by: Monica "you know, I just did not feel like doing the make up and the perfumed pussy last night, so I just picked the drunkest loser in the bar."

Hehe! You acknowledged Sam's point while driving in the shiv to its hilt...

Jimmy Soul had it right:

http://lyrictracker.com/show.php?id=NDIxOTk=

If you wanna be happy for the rest of your life Never make a pretty woman your wife So for my personal point of view Get an ugly girl to marry you If you wanna be happy for the rest of your life Never make a pretty woman your wife So for my personal point of view Get an ugly girl to marry you A pretty woman makes her husband look small And very often causes his downfall As soon as he married her and then she starts To do the things that will break his heart But if you make an ugly woman your wife A-you'll be happy for the rest of your life An ug-a-ly woman cooks meals on time And she'll always give you peace of mind If you wanna be happy for the rest of your life Never make a pretty woman your wife So for my personal point of view Get an ugly girl to marry you Sax solo Don't let your friends say you have no taste Go ahead and marry anyway Though her face is ugly, her eyes don't match Take it from me, she's a better catch If you wanna be happy for the rest of your life Never make a pretty woman your wife So for my personal point of view Get an ugly girl to marry you Spoken: Say man! Hey baby! I saw your wife the other day! Yeah? Yeah, an' she's ug-leeee! Yeah, she's ugly, but she sure can cook, baby! Yeah, alright! If you wanna be happy for the rest of your life Never make a pretty woman your wife So for my personal point of view Get an ugly girl to marry you If you wanna be happy for the rest of your life Never make a pretty woman your wife So for my personal point of view Get an ugly girl to marry you If you wanna be happy for the rest of your life Never make a pretty woman your wife So for my personal point of view Get an ugly girl to marry you If you wanna be happy for the rest of your life Never make a pretty woman your wife So for my personal point of view Get an ugly girl to marry you

[bishop]

Quote by: monica You should be aware, positively, that the woman you were with last night actually chose you, and she is right now telling her friends and Internet forum of her choice "you know, I just did not feel like doing the make up and the perfumed pussy last night, so I just picked the drunkest loser in the bar."

heh.. good one!

Quote by: osborn 1.) Read "Vogue, Womans Day, Redbook, Cosmopolitan, Seventeen, etc, etc, etc,". 2.) Go out for a "night on the town" with NO money. (drink whores) 3.) Insist you accept "her friends" while she constantly rips apart "your friends".

and you can definitely add to that list.. my biggest issue were the girls who acted as if the world revolved around them. you'd be expected to like what they liked, share the same concerns, etc.. i also loathe women who think too much and in circles. (too much thinking = psychotic bitch imo)

i've been with all sorts of different girls myself and never found that their looks implied a certain personality type. some girls who were far from the hottest girls out there were royal pains in my ass, and vice versa.



and, an open relationship... i couldn't handle the thought of my girlfriend, who i love with all my heart, getting boned by some random guy. that has to open up a very strange dynamic to the relationship... gotta be pretty awkward imo.

[Athena]

Quote by: Monica I suppose out of the two responses thus far, I could best agree with Osborne. Athena is just not from this reality if she thinks people are not screwing just for the sake of screwing, and I would hope that we have all screwed people that we would never actually associate with in the sober light of day. That is the actual definition of a one night stand, is it not? That being said, advertising that you are trying to make an intellectual case for this type of behavior, the pros and cons of beautiful women versus ugly ones, etc., does not say as much about your date for the evening as it does about you and possibly your lack of experience in these matters. You should be aware, positively, that the woman you were with last night actually chose you, and she is right now telling her friends and Internet forum of her choice "you know, I just did not feel like doing the make up and the perfumed pussy last night, so I just picked the drunkest loser in the bar."

Oh yes, I do think people are just screwing for the sake of screwing. We go through different phases, being very horny at times and more discriminating at times. I also think it is regretable when a woman has a child she does not want, or dumps the child's father just because she wants to screw around. Sometimes, dumping both the father and child, to screw around. Male or famale, I think those who are acting on urges and not in the best interest of children, should chose sterilization. By the way, I got sterilized so I could screw around without risk of pregnancy. Then came herbies and AIDS and I decided a one night stand wasn't worth the risk, but I am also thankfully, not as driven to have a man in life as I once was. When I thought I needed a man, it was about so much more than sex. I am glad those days are behind me.

I sure wish I could find that cartoon picture of the female stripper that was a comment about power and exploitation. I find it interesting when women defend screwing for the sake of screwing, and add they exploit men to satisfy their own urges too. As I said, I don't think this is the best relationship for men and women, but I have thoughts of hiring a giggollo from time to time. I am not opposed to prostitution. When we pay for the service we are at least being honest about the relationship. Yes, when I want the world to revolve me, paying for it is reasonable.

[tman_ndsu08]

If pretty girls are truly more desireable, then we'll evolve toward that direction until the ugly ones simply die out.

That would be fine with me.

[Samildanach]

That being said, advertising that you are trying to make an intellectual case for this type of behavior, the pros and cons of beautiful women versus ugly ones, etc., does not say as much about your date for the evening as it does about you and possibly your lack of experience in these matters. You should be aware, positively, that the woman you were with last night actually chose you, and she is right now telling her friends and Internet forum of her choice "you know, I just did not feel like doing the make up and the perfumed pussy last night, so I just picked the drunkest loser in the bar."

You are correct about my lack of experience with these matters. I haven't slept with really ugly birds before, thankyou for bringing that to my attention, I know you have much more experience in this particular matter than I so I will bow before your significantly increased wisdom in this arena.

As for the makeup and perfumed pussy....lol...possibly a good call but outside the realms of the discussion and after all who really wants to get a mouthful of perfume. :)

[5010]

I don't have to worry about variety in my relationship. My gal is a hair designer and sometimes she comes home looking so different I feel almost like I'm cheating on her.

Quote by: Samildanach 'in my gf's opinion an ugly bird which she found highly insulting'

Try hooking up with a pretty bird and see what happens. Maybe she won't get insulted, but instead become insecure and feel inadequate. So one more reason for you to go for the homely ones: insulted is better than psycho.

Quote by: Athena Then came herbies and AIDS and I decided a one night stand wasn't worth the risk, but I am also thankfully, not as driven to have a man in life as I once was.

Herbies and AIDS? Two kinds of love bugs?

[westcoastdog]

It's easy to find someone to go to bed with at night, but it's challenging to find someone you want to wake up with in the morning.

I suppose it comes down to one's character, taste and values. Some people are honorable, and some are not, and that will never change. Then there is the terminal problem of AIDS.

BTW, every couple I knew that practiced open marriage divorced after a few years.

If you examine the portraits done during the Middle Ages, you will notice that a lot of them were homely by our standards; note how many have low brows. Scientists have studied skulls and have noted changes to our current status; our skulls are more distinctly human and less ape like.

[jose]

I have never gone to bed with an ugly girl,
but i have woke up next to some

[westcoastdog]

A friend had a rule not to have more than two beers in a bar. After the third beer, every woman looked sexy and beautiful to him.

True story: another friend got drunk in a bar in Las Vegas, and next morning discovered he had married the hooker next to him in bed. It cost his father plenty to get the marriage annulled.

[Samildanach]

and, an open relationship... i couldn't handle the thought of my girlfriend, who i love with all my heart, getting boned by some random guy. that has to open up a very strange dynamic to the relationship... gotta be pretty awkward imo

That depends on how well you can separate sex and love. Not being the particularly sensitive or insecure type it doesn't seem to impact me at all, I have no problems separating the two.

After all unless you are going out with a nun she has slept with other men before, are you jealous of them or the ones who will come after you? Its really just a matter of temporal perspective.
I have no sense of jealousy as IMO jealousy stems from fear of loss and if there is one thing I believe in its living life with no fears. If someone chooses to leave you then there is not a hell of a lot you can do about it its their choice and good luck to them if it makes them happy. I don't believe in fighting to make someone stay with you who doesn't want to be there.

Also like in any decent relationship, trust is the cornerstone. Most people seem to confuse trust with monogamy when in reality they are completely different things.

I also love my girlfriend a great deal and the greatest gift you can give IMO in a committed relationship is freedom to live life exactly the way the other partner wants to live it and to encourag them to be who they are.

In other words we get the best aspects of a committed relationship ie we can build a life together with the excitement of a single life. Its also easier to keep single and couples as friends as you can still go on the pull with your mates if you like. Like last weekend sometimes you can go on the pull with your partner and thats pretty exciting as well. :)

Fact is I think an open relationship is really more stable in a lot of ways than a traditional one as nothing is really forbidden except secrets.

Another argument for it from either sex's perspective is, could you eat one food for the rest of your life without craving something else? I know I couldn't and most people can't leading to high divorce rates because people can't think for themselves and do whats going to make their relationships work rather than folowing obsolete 18th century church based marriage rules.

[westcoastdog]

So it doesn't bother you when your girl friend comes home smelling with the BO of another man?

[Samildanach]

You have heard of showers I take it...rules the whole thing works on quite rigid rules.

Rules like

1. Showering
2. Never come back to our place always go to theirs.
3. Always preschedule what days you are going to see the other person and tell the partner.
4. Never more than once a week max unless going on pull for new lover.
5 Only one lover at a time.
6 If love even begins to enter your head or theirs terminate the relationship immediately and find new lover.


Sensible stuff really.

[bishop]

was this some sort of compromise you two had to agree on in order to salvage your relationship?


i once dated a woman 10 years my senior who i later found out was in an open relationship.. damn near knocked the bitch out once she told me.. for me, it isn't a trust/jealousy/insecurity thing... i simply don't feel comfortable sharing the one i love.. people who came before me don't matter.. i definitely have my own trail myself. i've also done several one-night stands which aren't all too different from what you're doing in that each involves using another person for some cheap sex.. that hollow feeling afterwards dissuades me from wanting to be frivilous when it comes to love and sex.

[Samildanach]

was this some sort of compromise you two had to agree on in order to salvage your relationship?

Absolutely not. It is something that our relationship evolved into gradually as our trust in each other grew. Didnt mean to imply your choice was one out of insecurity and or jealousy, your choice is your choice and if its based on good reasons then more power to you, just thats the reason a lot of people stay monogamous.

[underbear1]

Women have chosen to marry some of the ugliest oldest trolls on the planet, for generations, if the income is worthy enough. Those men boffing ugly women should use plenty of protection, otherwise you'll be paying 18 years for some hideous offspring. Being sloppy drunk when you bed this woman leads me to believe birth control may not have been too well thought out.

[underbear1]

herpes not herbies...............and just to increase your knowledge hepetitis is much more transmitable than AIDS, hep can live days exposed to open air, HIV can't.