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GreatWyrm of Babylon · Aug 28, 2003, 01:11 am

Okay, those that have read my posts so far realize that I take my debate fairly seriously. On the other hand I am quite capable of being decidedly odd. I tend to give unasked for debate advise when I see IMO arguements that could be improved on, I will even play devils advocate if that is needed to help someone on the hobby I enjoy. I try not to come off as a grammar nazi or simular entity, but maybe I fail sometimes.

I just happen to enjoy matching wits with people it sharpens my skills and allows me to find the weak points in my logic because I hate those (lol) and want them dead. The only things that bother me in a debate is personal attacks because any idiot can exchange insults, and while developing that skill is sometimes amusing I have pretty much reached the limit of where I even want to go with that skill (lol).

I will point out logical fallicies, and I have a tendancy to ignore testimonials. Is there anything less logical than a testimonial? I mean sure, you may know someone that won the lottery, but that hardly makes it the best place to invest your savings...

rmnunez · Aug 28, 2003, 01:19 am

I'd prefer to prevail on substance than procedurally, am told that is not a sign of a serious debater.

oXiSfAa · Aug 28, 2003, 01:21 am

I'm just curious where you came up with that name? ;p

I'm here because an electro-chemical reaction in my body brought me here...I'm still trying to figure out what's going on...

GreatWyrm of Babylon · Aug 28, 2003, 01:31 am

If you are reffering to my name, I picked it as an indicative of what you are dealing with when you interact with myself. I happen to enjoy both anchient history and mythology, I do not belong to mainstream religion, I belong to an egoist philosophy, and I tend to defend my opinions, but am thick skinned enough not to take attacks on them personally. Therefore what other name could I choose...(lol)

Johnson · Aug 28, 2003, 03:24 pm

I usually only get into debates if it's something I am interested in. I don't debate just for the sake of arguement, though I suppose that would be a good way to learn something while making an ass of one's self.

GreatWyrm of Babylon · Aug 28, 2003, 03:36 pm

If you learn to recognize when the water is going over your head, making an as of oneself is minimal.

Johnson · Aug 28, 2003, 03:38 pm

Good advice. Humility however is an aquired taste. :p

"When pride comes, then comes disgrace, but with humility comes wisdom."

"Pride goes before destruction,
a haughty spirit before a fall."

:p

STDestiny · Aug 28, 2003, 04:11 pm

Johnson's first post is a fairly good description of me as well. I like to think I'm good at seeing both sides of an issue, though that's of course, my opinion of myself.

-Andrew

indierockboy · Sep 16, 2003, 01:29 am

i've never been a serious debator, and i don't have any interest in becoming one. i don't debate to prove myself or my life philosophies. i debate because in doing so, i significantly research the topic i am debating. i debate because it forces me to learn.

i also debate (probably mainly) because it kills a significant amount of time. since my girlfriend lives in another country (for the time being, however in five days i will be with her for several months before returning home) and i do not enjoy television or video games, i need to kill my time somehow. despite a job, attending school and working on comissions, i still find i have more than enough free time on my hands, and i figure i might as well learn.

that's also why i never debate a topic i know alot about, because it more or less defeats the purpose for me.

ColWTH · Sep 16, 2003, 08:07 am

Anyone who has to TELL people they are a serious debator is afraid that no one will realize it on their own ... and probably for good reason.

Cathy · Sep 17, 2003, 07:52 am

There's no way I can be described as being a serious debater. I'm nowhere near knowledgeable enough and in my work I am in daily contact with intelligent people and I honestly have almost no hope of successfully debating them!

JoeyNormal · Sep 19, 2003, 04:03 pm

How serious am I? Well, lessee...I am the Third Speaker of a successful debating team, I coach Junior debates, and I'm organising an inter-school regional competition for next year. Serious is a yes...

...not to mention that I'm off to a debating competition of sorts now.

combatrhino · Sep 19, 2003, 04:36 pm

*yay* i debate all the time in terms of this freelance dilly

but

i also debate on a high school policy team, and am currently being scouted by a few universities to debate for the next year in college. i would say i take it very seriously, spending tons of hours each week doing organized debates and research on hundreds of different topics

rox0r

JoeyNormal · Sep 21, 2003, 01:36 am

Hyperbole is fun. :|

Section 8 · Sep 24, 2003, 12:24 am

I see myself as a serious debater. This most annoying thing that happens is when people continously repeat themselves.

Have Fun
Shalom

xm.bretton · Sep 24, 2003, 01:38 am

I debate for the pure fun of it.

I'm still very young (18)... and uneducated. though I don't have a vast knowledge base or vocabulary, I can still handle principles and grasp thoughts.

I don't know much so I tend not to get into a lot of the debates, especially ones over government or deeper philosophy. but I like to read and learn the oppinions of others.

RebelWithanAK · Sep 29, 2003, 06:12 pm

talk about a thread in which to sing one's own praises...

Harpist4u · Mar 23, 2005, 09:38 am

There are certain topics (religion, ethics, rights, society) that I feel very strongly about. In those topics I feel I could be considered a serious debater. I will go to the very end to prove my point. Although I may be in high school, I enjoy debating with others. It keeps my drive for knowledge up. I often start debates with friends and family members. The idea thatsome people have that younger people are uncapable of debating with adults is wrong. As long as both sides have adequate information to defend their side, it is perfectly capable.

PatrickHenry · Mar 23, 2005, 12:43 pm

I am serious. I will argue about my topics of interest and find sources for my well-reasoned arguments. But I will give it up if my point has been expressed fully and my opponent begins circular reasoning or continually throws fallacies in.

I can also be a dilettante. Sometimes I post and walk away, or post whimsical stuff. I can even be a stick in the eye of the powerful, heh. Remember the "Sean Is Evil!" thread? It was fun, but Big Brother wanted it deleted, so I let it go...

BTW, Harpist4u, you are a real hard-rock miner on this forum. All the way back to 2003 for this previously popular thread.

Harpist4u · Mar 24, 2005, 10:55 am

well let me just say that I am bored in school because I am surrounded by idiots who do not know how to defend their own sides of debate. So I am limited to these debate sites.

Aug 28, 2003, 01:11 am	#1 (permalink) (top)
GreatWyrm of Babylon Avatar of Tiamut Location: Dallas, Texas (Irving) Posts: 848	Okay, those that have read my posts so far realize that I take my debate fairly seriously. On the other hand I am quite capable of being decidedly odd. I tend to give unasked for debate advise when I see IMO arguements that could be improved on, I will even play devils advocate if that is needed to help someone on the hobby I enjoy. I try not to come off as a grammar nazi or simular entity, but maybe I fail sometimes. I just happen to enjoy matching wits with people it sharpens my skills and allows me to find the weak points in my logic because I hate those (lol) and want them dead. The only things that bother me in a debate is personal attacks because any idiot can exchange insults, and while developing that skill is sometimes amusing I have pretty much reached the limit of where I even want to go with that skill (lol). I will point out logical fallicies, and I have a tendancy to ignore testimonials. Is there anything less logical than a testimonial? I mean sure, you may know someone that won the lottery, but that hardly makes it the best place to invest your savings... Logical Fallicies Link

Aug 28, 2003, 01:19 am	#2 (permalink) (top)
rmnunez Volcanic Erupter Location: Mexico City Posts: 4,772	I'd prefer to prevail on substance than procedurally, am told that is not a sign of a serious debater. Et semel emissum volat irrevocabile verbum. Raúl M. Núñez Sheriff

Aug 28, 2003, 01:21 am	#3 (permalink) (top)
oXiSfAa Sedimentary Rock Location: US, California, in the place where there is no darkness. Posts: 5	I'm just curious where you came up with that name? ;p I'm here because an electro-chemical reaction in my body brought me here...I'm still trying to figure out what's going on... no pics allowed in your sig, shux

Aug 28, 2003, 01:31 am	#4 (permalink) (top)
GreatWyrm of Babylon Avatar of Tiamut Location: Dallas, Texas (Irving) Posts: 848	If you are reffering to my name, I picked it as an indicative of what you are dealing with when you interact with myself. I happen to enjoy both anchient history and mythology, I do not belong to mainstream religion, I belong to an egoist philosophy, and I tend to defend my opinions, but am thick skinned enough not to take attacks on them personally. Therefore what other name could I choose...(lol) Logical Fallicies Link

Aug 28, 2003, 03:24 pm	#5 (permalink) (top)
Johnson Sedimentary Rock Location: WA Posts: 17	I usually only get into debates if it's something I am interested in. I don't debate just for the sake of arguement, though I suppose that would be a good way to learn something while making an ass of one's self. What Is American Corporatism? <span style='font-size:8pt;line-height:100%'>Corporatism blends socialism and capitalism not by giving each control of different parts of the economy, but by combining socialism's promise of a government-guaranteed flow of material goods with capitalism's private ownership and management.</span> <span style='font-size:8pt;line-height:100%'>Legislative representation is given to industries and workers' societies. Workers and employers are organized into syndicates known as "corporations" according to their industries, and these groups are given representation in a legislative body.</span> <span style='font-size:8pt;line-height:100%'>We believe in national government, collective solutions, corporatist economics, State intervention and the “Third Way.” We are anti-globalist and anti-communist. We are freedom.</span> "We are denied our heritage by the power of usury." - Oswald Mosley -

Aug 28, 2003, 03:36 pm	#6 (permalink) (top)
GreatWyrm of Babylon Avatar of Tiamut Location: Dallas, Texas (Irving) Posts: 848	If you learn to recognize when the water is going over your head, making an as of oneself is minimal. Logical Fallicies Link

Aug 28, 2003, 03:38 pm	#7 (permalink) (top)
Johnson Sedimentary Rock Location: WA Posts: 17	Good advice. Humility however is an aquired taste. :p "When pride comes, then comes disgrace, but with humility comes wisdom." "Pride goes before destruction, a haughty spirit before a fall." :p What Is American Corporatism? <span style='font-size:8pt;line-height:100%'>Corporatism blends socialism and capitalism not by giving each control of different parts of the economy, but by combining socialism's promise of a government-guaranteed flow of material goods with capitalism's private ownership and management.</span> <span style='font-size:8pt;line-height:100%'>Legislative representation is given to industries and workers' societies. Workers and employers are organized into syndicates known as "corporations" according to their industries, and these groups are given representation in a legislative body.</span> <span style='font-size:8pt;line-height:100%'>We believe in national government, collective solutions, corporatist economics, State intervention and the “Third Way.” We are anti-globalist and anti-communist. We are freedom.</span> "We are denied our heritage by the power of usury." - Oswald Mosley -

Aug 28, 2003, 04:11 pm	#8 (permalink) (top)
STDestiny Sedimentary Rock Location: Manassas, VA Posts: 2	Johnson's first post is a fairly good description of me as well. I like to think I'm good at seeing both sides of an issue, though that's of course, my opinion of myself. -Andrew <span style='font-family:Impact'><span style='font-size:8pt;line-height:100%'><span style='color:orange'>I tried to look at things from your perspective, but I can't get my head that far up my butt...</span></span></span>

Sep 16, 2003, 01:29 am	#9 (permalink) (top)
indierockboy Molten Ash Location: ontario canada Posts: 104	i've never been a serious debator, and i don't have any interest in becoming one. i don't debate to prove myself or my life philosophies. i debate because in doing so, i significantly research the topic i am debating. i debate because it forces me to learn. i also debate (probably mainly) because it kills a significant amount of time. since my girlfriend lives in another country (for the time being, however in five days i will be with her for several months before returning home) and i do not enjoy television or video games, i need to kill my time somehow. despite a job, attending school and working on comissions, i still find i have more than enough free time on my hands, and i figure i might as well learn. that's also why i never debate a topic i know alot about, because it more or less defeats the purpose for me. http://www.autophobic.net/tmesis/sig.gif

Sep 16, 2003, 08:07 am	#10 (permalink) (top)
ColWTH Sedimentary Rock Posts: 22	Anyone who has to TELL people they are a serious debator is afraid that no one will realize it on their own ... and probably for good reason.

Sep 17, 2003, 07:52 am	#11 (permalink) (top)
Cathy Sedimentary Rock Location: Sydney, Australia Posts: 20	There's no way I can be described as being a serious debater. I'm nowhere near knowledgeable enough and in my work I am in daily contact with intelligent people and I honestly have almost no hope of successfully debating them!

Sep 19, 2003, 04:03 pm	#12 (permalink) (top)
JoeyNormal Sedimentary Rock Location: New Zealand Posts: 13	How serious am I? Well, lessee...I am the Third Speaker of a successful debating team, I coach Junior debates, and I'm organising an inter-school regional competition for next year. Serious is a yes... ...not to mention that I'm off to a debating competition of sorts now. http://www.imagestation.com/picture/...1/fbde6fa7.jpg

Sep 19, 2003, 04:36 pm	#13 (permalink) (top)
combatrhino Molten Ash Location: university of iowa, iowa Posts: 26	yay i debate all the time in terms of this freelance dilly but i also debate on a high school policy team, and am currently being scouted by a few universities to debate for the next year in college. i would say i take it very seriously, spending tons of hours each week doing organized debates and research on hundreds of different topics rox0r my cachinnation my rhino

Sep 21, 2003, 01:36 am	#14 (permalink) (top)
JoeyNormal Sedimentary Rock Location: New Zealand Posts: 13	Hyperbole is fun. :\| http://www.imagestation.com/picture/...1/fbde6fa7.jpg

Sep 24, 2003, 12:24 am	#15 (permalink) (top)
Section 8 Hot Lava Location: Spokane, WA Posts: 782	I see myself as a serious debater. This most annoying thing that happens is when people continously repeat themselves. Have Fun Shalom

Sep 24, 2003, 01:38 am	#16 (permalink) (top)
xm.bretton Molten Ash Location: Vancouver, BC Posts: 89	I debate for the pure fun of it. I'm still very young (18)... and uneducated. though I don't have a vast knowledge base or vocabulary, I can still handle principles and grasp thoughts. I don't know much so I tend not to get into a lot of the debates, especially ones over government or deeper philosophy. but I like to read and learn the oppinions of others. xm.bretton xhalation.com

Sep 29, 2003, 06:12 pm	#17 (permalink) (top)
RebelWithanAK Igneous Magma Location: New York City Posts: 739	talk about a thread in which to sing one's own praises... . . . whenever any government becomes destructive to these ends, it is the right of the people to alter or to abolish it, and to institute a new government, laying its foundations on such principles and organizing its powers in such forms as to them shall seem most likely to effect their safety and happiness.

Mar 23, 2005, 09:38 am	#18 (permalink) (top)
Harpist4u The curious Gwen Location: In a cage surrounded by ignorance Posts: 36	There are certain topics (religion, ethics, rights, society) that I feel very strongly about. In those topics I feel I could be considered a serious debater. I will go to the very end to prove my point. Although I may be in high school, I enjoy debating with others. It keeps my drive for knowledge up. I often start debates with friends and family members. The idea thatsome people have that younger people are uncapable of debating with adults is wrong. As long as both sides have adequate information to defend their side, it is perfectly capable.

Mar 23, 2005, 12:43 pm	#19 (permalink) (top)
PatrickHenry 9/11: Inside Job Location: Hawai'i, Big Island Posts: 10,435	I am serious. I will argue about my topics of interest and find sources for my well-reasoned arguments. But I will give it up if my point has been expressed fully and my opponent begins circular reasoning or continually throws fallacies in. I can also be a dilettante. Sometimes I post and walk away, or post whimsical stuff. I can even be a stick in the eye of the powerful, heh. Remember the "Sean Is Evil!" thread? It was fun, but Big Brother wanted it deleted, so I let it go... BTW, Harpist4u, you are a real hard-rock miner on this forum. All the way back to 2003 for this previously popular thread. "Arms in the hands of the citizens may be used at individual discretion for the defense of the country, the overthrow of tyranny or private self-defense." -- John Adams

Mar 24, 2005, 10:55 am	#20 (permalink) (top)
Harpist4u The curious Gwen Location: In a cage surrounded by ignorance Posts: 36	well let me just say that I am bored in school because I am surrounded by idiots who do not know how to defend their own sides of debate. So I am limited to these debate sites.