Security and no rights... I think Hitler tried that.

[IAm]

I watch every day what you are doing as a society. While you sit by and watch your Constitution being torn away from you, you willfully eat poisoned food, buy manufactured products no one needs and turn an uncaring eye away from millions of people suffering and dying all around you. Is this the "Universal Law" you subscribe to?
-John Titor (self proclaimed time traveler)

Do we enjoy hating our society and doing nothing about it?

Do we enjoy not comforming at the price of ignorance?

[jose]

what would you have us do

[Athena]

Our consciousness is limited. When I was raising a family I didn't have the time and energy to study everything. People who are working 40 hours a week, don't have much time and energy for understanding economics, and what oil has to do with everything, and which scientists is right about global warming, and how is life in other countries different from the one where we live, and therefore what should our political decisions be?

Those of us who have the time to do the studying and to think about what we learn and to converse with others, are most fortunate. The answer to your questions about what we enjoy, is it isn't about enjoyment, it is about survival. After people do everything they have to do, just to survive, they seriously need time to themselves to just relax and hopefully have a moment to enjoy being alive, this is not the time to take on all the world problems.

Be easy on us. We are only human.

[Osborn F Enready]

The time is BLATANTLY NEAR now, revolt is coming before 2008.

Mark those words as a sincere prediction, not a threat.

[patriotsACT]

"They that can give up essential liberty to obtain a little temporary safety, deserve neither liberty nor safety."

"The tree of liberty must be watered periodically with the blood of tyrants and patriots alike. It is its natural manure."

History doesnt repeat itself, people repeat history.

Its kind of scary right now. I mean, the feeling of unrest. People being screwed over left and right. Paying right out of the arse in gas prices. While fat double chinned selfish piggies go before congress and viciously defend their "right" to make billions of dollars a day...

Something has to change.

When I was a little kid, i used to wish i lived in more exciting times. LOL. The next 10-15 years is going to be very intresting to observe.

[Osborn F Enready]

patriotsACT said:
The next 10-15 years is going to be very intresting to observe.

I say:
I hear that. Hopefully I will be doing more observing (from afar) than participating.

[Rainbow]

The time is BLATANTLY NEAR now, revolt is coming before 2008.

Mark those words as a sincere prediction, not a threat.

Osborn, for the God's sake have mercy on us :-)
I do mark that date. I bet you use bicycles to raid WhiteHouse, in that time :-)

Even though, The Libertarian Party takes over the reign :
- what are you going to create ?
Whoever takes over the power, He/She is not going to change U.S. over night. It would take years, at least.

More over, if the Libertarian Party has solutions for U.S. (as the state, along with Its people) :
- what does stop the Libertarian Party to comply with its ideas today ?

Do you want American people to suffer more, as a punishment for not electing you ? :-)
If I had a formula people to live better, I would apply it regardless of the party's shades.
It is called : compassion. It seems the Libertarian Party is lacking of that one.
How come can you rule people, then ? :-)
What are you better in than "Big-Good-Old-Boys" today, then ? :-)

[Osborn F Enready]

Rainbow said:
Even though, The Libertarian Party takes over the reign :
- what are you going to create?

I say:
A Constitutionally Limited, Democratic Representative Republic, like we are supposed to have.

Rainbow said:
Whoever takes over the power, He/She is not going to change U.S. over night. It would take years, at least.

I say:
You are quite wrong. A true Libertarian could use the very same UNCONSTITUTIONAL Executive Order Privlidge to remove ALL un-constitutional laws from the books, as well as writing an executive order to detain and charge for conspiracy against the U.S. taxpayers all members of the C.I.A., and F.B.I. and I.R.S. until cases could be heard through the courts. Once all of them were detained, finger-printed, assets frozen, they would be released to await trial with no travel privlidges outside their home states. They would be arrested and detained by Sheriffs in any state where they are operating and or reside. Immediately, a new system of "outer national border" intelligence would be constructed WITHIN the bounds of Constiutional Authority.
For the first year of the Presidency, things would be very rocky as corruptions were exposed in all layers of government, and our major corporations. As cases were heard and guilt found or innocence found, funds collected from the corrupt would go back in to the "taxpayers" fund that has been being leached.
After two years, of correction and clean-up, the entire tax-system, military, citizen safety-net system could be revamped and underway through constitutional means. By issuing a new executive order, on government transparency, all government operations would be made completely transparent with exception to national security issues, which would be overwatched by an independent, citizen elected, board of reviewers. This board would decide what is and what is not "national security" essential.

In the third year, by executive order, an entirely new voting system, nationwide, would be selected based on three criteria for the machines.....

Paper ballot records for invidual voters, showing ALL votes made BEFORE and AFTER being recorded.

Instant Runoff Voting mandatory.

Tamper proof systems that are UNCHANGEABLE once the "election" has started, and the machines have been activated.

Also, the voting changes would encompass a CITIZENS RIGHT to vote, in a tamper-proof, IRV style, verifiable system for ANY election from local, state, or federal. This right would FORBID a poll tax, as well as FORBID any information being collected on the voter other than PROOF of citizenship, and residence within the voting precinct they are attending. The voting changes would also include a penalty of high treason for any individual, or group of individuals, or entity made up of individuals, that try to disrupt, alter or change any vote by any citizen, in ANY election. The voting changes would also include a national VOTER ID card, that had ONLY the persons name, proof of citizenship, and VOTING LOCAL listed on the card, with a series of imprinted safeguards and stamps to prevent forgery, that could be changed as necessary. Any person, with or without income, as long as they are provably a citizen, would be entitled a voting ID card, and they would only be issued by local voting headquarters, who have the ability to verify such information.

In the third year of this Presidents term, he would then put all "tax funded programs at the Federal level", under the scrutiny of an independent, citizen elected group to analyze and report the effectiveness of each program. These findings would be made available to all citizens by the end of the third year, and at the end of that year, all citizens would vote on what (constitutionally complicit) programs will stay and which will go. The vote to keep a program would have to be a "super majority" of more than 70%. The vote to drop a program would have to be anything 69% or lower, and that would AUTOMATICALLY put the issue on the next ballot in EACH STATE, for a STATE level program of the same type. This would allow states to keep the program if they so chose, AT THE STATE LEVEL, while allowing other states to not continue with the programs.

Also in that third year, the President would be making several speeches to the citizens about where "legislation" should originate, citing that the PEOPLE are the RULERS of government, and that legislation STARTS with them. For this reason, all special intrest groups would be outlawed from directly affecting politics using money and or "political ties", so that all citiznes were enabled the same opprotunity to lobby before congress, and the Senate. There would be an executive order drawn and executed that states: any individual or group of individuals, found to be "seeding the lines" to stand before Congress or the Senate, would be held for conspiracy against the people of the United States, and treated as High Treason cases when tried before jury. (currently special intrest groups will pay homeless people to line up to lobby congress just to BAR competitors, or OPPOSERS of their bills or "findings". THIS MUST BE STOPPED)

In the fourth year, the President would have the Attourney General overview all still existing laws in all forms of law, from Common Law to Local State Laws, and all cases of questionability would be put up for judicial review at great expedience, by the Supreme Court.

In his last year of his term, the President would give several speeches to the National Public, stating clearly their rights as enumerated under the Constitution of the United States, and how he has gone to great lengths to fully restore those rights, but work still must be done. He would clearly explain the RIGHTS and OBLIGATIONS of a jury in ANY trial, from local to federal, SPECIFICALLY NOTING the rights of the people to use jury nullfication of bad laws at ALL LEVELS of government. He would also speak long and hard about the RIGHTS and OBLIGATIONS of citizens and their personal security, their RIGHT to own and bear arms, as well as their RIGHT to keep and ensure this government STAYS true to its LIMITATIONS and INTENTIONS. Based on all of the speeches, he would make his final two acts as President. The first act would be to propose for passage, an amendment to the Constitution stating that from all cases forward, any case in any court of law in the United States, would have to be based in Constitutional Law, and it would require that any case heard would be bound to ONE interpreation of the Constitution, and that ONE interpretation would be defined in a "Constitutional Dictionary" which had a definition for each and every word used in the Constitution. This dictionary would be made part of the Constitution by amendment, and from that day forward would be the ONLY official interpretation of ANY word used in the Constitution, removing the problem of "varied interpretations" perverting the law as has happened in our society.

The second act would be to remove the "rights of incorporation" as known currently, from ALL forms of law in this nation. All corporate charters would be subject to IMMEDIATE disbanding, based on the outcome of "communities" where they reside "renegotiating" their abilities and "limitations" within that community, within a given state. All corporations would be held to community standards where they reside, and would be forced to comply with all local, state and federal laws as individuals, as opposed to corporate entities. ( in other words, communities would again have the power to allow, or disband corporations based on the corporations promises to the community, limitations of law, and or the "best intrest" of the community that PROVIDES the labor base for said corporations.)

His last act would be to remove Executive Order Privlidge permanently, and write a bill for passage by popular vote that once passed (if passed) would require 70% (super majority) of the POPULAR vote to again allow any type of limited (per president) executive order privlidge in the future, under CONSTITUTIONAL limitations.

This is my short answer.

(obviously MUCH else would be done also, but there IS a 10000 character limit, so I am being brief.) LOL

[Rainbow]

Osborn F Enready

I create my own political party. It is called : "Gasoline Party" :-)
I offer all my members a discount for gasoline. I wipe all the political parties in U.S. (and around the globe) out, over night. No use of arms needed at all.
Do you think my party's members would care about my party's political platform, credo, ect. ?
I bet they enjoy low prices, what would generate more funds in their pockets that can be used for other expenses.

What that hypothetical political party's activity would mean ?
The base for all the political systems :
- food
- jobs/business enterprise

Your post is all about an idealistic system that has never-ever emerged in Mankind's History, except for minds, papers, ect. I understand the concepts you lay out, though.

Example :
- corruption
As long as 1 person tries to materialize his/her desires to have more money than others, so a potential threat of corruption appears immediately.
Are you going to eliminate it ?
How ?
By replacing Homo Sappiens ? :-)

There is no need me to go with re-structuring other branches, like intelligence sources, military, ect. You probably have no clue what it takes, guys.
In short : appx. 20 years (of consecutive and progressive efforts) could bring some positive results.
The other way, is to issue pocket of executive orders, bills, ect. approved by the House.
Yet, that appx. 20 years is a mandatory, unless Mankind would change its characteristics, dramatically.

P.S.
Even the most noble ideas may not find acceptance among the People.
An idea does not feed a stomach. The real food is a must, instead.

[Milton Bradley]

When I was a little kid, i used to wish i lived in more exciting times. LOL. The next 10-15 years is going to be very intresting to observe.

Ah, sublte irony. I would say you got your wish. Why did you have to take us along for the ride?

The other way, is to issue pocket of executive orders, bills, ect. approved by the House.
Yet, that appx. 20 years is a mandatory, unless Mankind would change its characteristics, dramatically.

Osborn already proposed that very idea as a possible tool for immediate change by somebody not in the pocket of the established powers already running the show.


I don't see where you get the automatic twenty year transition period. When a loophole to exploit the poeple, or their money opens up, the same parties are all to quick to get in line, and submit the proper paperwork neccesarry to begin the exploitation. It seems change happens as afast as people want change to occur.


But, alas, that would be talking about some type of idealistic fantasy world where the people are represented, and not ruled.

[Osborn F Enready]

Rainbow said:
Example :
- corruption
As long as 1 person tries to materialize his/her desires to have more money than others, so a potential threat of corruption appears immediately.
Are you going to eliminate it ?
How ?

I say:
Corruption, yes, I would eliminate it, to the best ability possible.

How?

I would make transparency of government activity the utmost importance. I would remove the NEED for tax loopholes and tax shelters by removing the un-necessary taxes, PERIOD.

I would make corporations responsible to their communities again, which would in turn cut corporate corruption in MORE than half.

I would bleed the system of fiat that is not more directly backed by other resources, such as gold, silver, etc. If somebody says "oil" is a resource equal to "gold", ask them if the sun is a resource like oil? Oil is used to produce energy, but the sun produces more captureable energy than any fuel on this planet. The only reason oil is valuable is because the corporate controlled government keeps all technology focused on oil, coal and natural gas as opposed to the sun, solar cells, wind generators and renewable energy. They knew this was coming, and all logical models represented the end of oil, as did Einstein. The point is, since 1850 the oil, wood and defense industry have been operating the government, therfore their industries are deemed a necessity "by design" into our way of life, since every waking hour of our lives we hear commercials, ads and salesman talking about how much "YOU NEED THIS PRODUCT" which is made by these same companies.

I would end corporatism, and all of its far reaching tentacles.

I would once again place value on the free press, in LAW, by ordering the FCC through Executive Order to DEMAND that all who broadcast on American Airwaves, will be required to dedicate 2 hours of airtime daily, broken up into 4 periods of 1/2 hour programs, that are for INFORMING THE AMERICAN PUBLIC OF GOVERNMENT ACTIVITY without bias, op-ed, or entertainment inflection.
This time would be figured to the broadcasting company as "operating costs", and they would not be allowed to accept money from corporations or any entity for specific costs associated with it. These 1/2 hour programs would air on EVERY STATION at the same times, at the end of 3hour blocks of regular scheduled programming so all Americans would have an opprotunity to hear the news without bias. I would also include in that order, a requirement for all broadcasters to set aside a 6-hour block for each state or federal election campaign cycle(at a time agreed to by all broadcasters, and canidates, to air at the same time on all channels) that can be used by ALL CANIDATES for any state, or federal elections. This would eliminate the "seeding of debates" by corporate sponsors, which keep third parties OUT of election debates, and would allow the nations citizens, and states citizens to hear their choices WITHOUT BIAS, to make an informed choice.

I would also work toward a more isolationist (in aid, not trade) view of foreign policy.

I would (an avenue) for non-profit, citizen funded watchdog groups to pour over government activity.

To aid the above groups, I would put a blanket "10 year hold" on all classified documents, opening them up without prejudice after 10 years through the freedom of information act. ( we still have documents classified from WW 1 based on "national security" issues...... PLEASE! )


There are many valid steps, that are constitutional, that could be taken VERY EASILY to not REMOVE, but to render useless,and painful, corruption in politics.

[Rainbow]

I don't see where you get the automatic twenty year transition period.

Since the military and intelligence are the subjects for potential re-structuring, then one would need a new, fresh and well educated, experienced personnel, in order to take over posts, positions, ect. and replace the old one.
In other words : a new generation.