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    Christianity, the myth of Jesus the 'Sun God' that mimics practically every other religion in anglo's history. Brings with it the stench of burning flesh with their religion of genocide hidden neatly behind the word "LOVE".

    "Most of these other gods were born on the 25th of December or sometime during the mid-winter. Nearly all were worshiped by "wise men." All of them fasted for forty days. All met with a violent death. All rose from the dead. The history of these gods is the history of our Christ. He had a god for a father, a virgin for a mother. He was born in a manger, or a cave -- on the 25th of December. His birth was announced by angels. He was worshiped by wise men, guided by a star. Herod, seeking his life, caused the death of many children. Christ fasted for forty days. So, it rained for forty days before the flood -- Moses was on Mt. Sinai for forty days. The temple had forty pillars and the Jews wandered in the wilderness for forty years. Christ met with a violent death, and rose from the dead.

    These things are not accidents -- not coincidences. Mythos Christ was a Sun-god. Most religions have been born of sun-worship. Today, when priests pray, they shunt their eyes. This is a survival of sun-worship. When people worshiped the sun, they had to shut their eyes. Afterwords, to flatter idols, they pretended that the glory of their faces was more than the eyes could bear.

    In the religion of modern day anglo's there is nothing original. All of its doctrines, its symbols and ceremonies are but the survivals of creeds that perished long ago. Baptism is far older than Christianity -- than Judaism. The Hindus, the Egyptians, the Greeks and Romans had holy water. The eucharist was borrowed from the anglo Pagans. Ceres was the goddess of the fields, Bacchus the god of the vine. At the harvest festival they made cakes of wheat and said: "These are the flesh of the goddess." They drank wine and cried: "This is the blood of our god."

    The cross has been a symbol for many thousands of years. It was a symbol of immortality -- of life, of the god Agni, the form of the grave of a man. An ancient people of Italy, who lived long before the Romans, long before the Etruscans, so long that not one word of their language is known, they used the cross, and beneath that emblem, carved on stone, buried their dead. In Central America are the temples of the Toltec and Maya and on the walls is the cross with the bleeding victim. On Babylonian cylinders is the impression of the cross. The Trinity came from Egypt. Osiris, Isis and Horus were worshiped thousands of years before our Father, Son and Holy Ghost were thought of. So the Tree of Life grew in India, China and among the Aztecs long before the Garden of Eden was planted. Long before the anglo Bible was known, other nations had their sacred books, temples and altars, sacrifices, ceremonies and priests. The "Fall of Man" is far older than Xtian religion, and so is the "Atonement" and the Scheme of Redemption.

    In our blessed religions of nature and spiritual connectedness there is nothing new, nothing original. That which cannot be created or destroyed only transformed feeds upon itself. Bon appitite."

    When you analyze Christianity you quickly find that the whole thing falls apart without a few key concepts, Original Sin being the keystone of the lot. There is no need for a sacrifice to redeem humanity without Original Sin. This is a thing Anglos brought here with them, it is not born of us - flush it. With it, the monstrous burden of saving humanity requires a colossal, superhuman punishment that no one else but super God deity could bear (note the irony in that). Hence the focus on the "Passion" rather than the wisdom applied in the life and the teachings of "Mythical Jesus" in this movie. Gibson is saying, "Look what He did for you! Be thankful and worship in return."

    In my opinion the corruption of truth happens when people begin to believe that only via one religion can salvation be attained. Gibson’s glorification of Mythical Christ’s agony and, by extension, his “special status”, only helps to keep that illusion and delusion at force, in my view.

    It's an interesting fact that of all historical high profile spiritual masters, almost none died in the fashion that Mythical Christ is portrayed as dying in (scripturally, and enhanced artistically by Gibson in his film). Socrates was compelled to drink poison; unpleasant, but likely not agonizing. Buddha died lying on his side likely with only a belly cramp (he ate some bad pork...and he was 80 years old). Lao Tzu (founder of Taoism) disappeared into the mountains riding on the back of a water buffalo; Ramana Maharshi died of cancer at age 70; etc.

    Many lesser known spiritual teachers likely died agonizing deaths during times of persecution (Inquisition, etc), such as Giordano Bruno and Knight's Templar leader Jacques deMolay....but there is one interesting case of a radical, rebellious mystic living in Bhagdad around 900 AD, who preached a new religion amongst the Islamic culture of his time, a very dangerous thing to do -- and was in turn crucified for his work. His main teaching, that he was God incarnate, appears to have been an identical claim as that made by Jesus and, interestingly, he too was *crucified* for this claim.

    Mother our Earth, the path of nature, our garden and our friends, within this is our salvation, our way and our hearts and our belifs..in the life and in the peace HERE after. Remember it again and live it, or face extinction on some other world in some other land and cultures mind there stands a little old white anglo man waiting to judge you to see if you are good enough for their kingdom of nothingness behind their pearly gates of oblivion.


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    Nice rant. Where'd you get it?

    "For neither Man nor Angel can discern Hypocrisie,
    The only evil that walks Invisible, except to God"
    --Paradise Lost

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    On the subject of copycat saviors, go here: http://www.tektonics.org/tekton_04_02_04.html

    This counters the false belief that Christ was based off of some other guy's story.


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    Welcome to the site Sheephogan

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    Bitter, aint yeah? You seem to hate Christianity and white people, what other bigoted neuroses do you have? I went to your website, are you a Native American/Indian, or something else? Do you really believe that "Mother Earth", a hippie woman floating around is more feasible then my God, an invisible man in the sky? Probably won't answer these, but I figure its worth a shot.

    Look, I can't prove my religion is real. However, despite your angry babbling, you can't disprove it either. Same goes for your religion, prove or disprove. You've probably have come across some holier then thou Christians, who I don't blame you for not liking. They get on my nerves too. However, in your rant you have become just as bad as them.

    Meat tastes like murder and murder tastes pretty *** damn good - Denis Leary

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    It doth seem my "scripture" is much more obscure than the biblical depostited in the white throne. Therefor I trust I can recite from some verse set below, as many do not have this scroll.

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    John(19:16)
    [muir]

    And the Florida wilderness spoketh unto him;

    The mainland of Florida is less salubrious than the islands, but no portion of this coast, nor of the flat border which sweeps from Maryland to Texas, is quite free from malaria. All the inhabitants of this region, whether black, tan, red or white, are liable to be prostrated by the ever-present fever and ague, to say nothing of the plagues of cholera and yellow fever that come and go suddenly like storms, prostrating the population and cutting gaps in it like hurricanes in woods.

    The world, we are told, was made especially for man a presumption not supported by all the facts. A numerous class of men are painfully astonished whenever they find anything, living or dead, in all God's universe, which they cannot eat or render in some way what they call useful to themselves. They have precise dogmatic insight of the intentions of the Creator, and it is hardly possible to be guilty of irreverence in speaking of their God any more than of heathen idols. He is regarded as a civilized, law-abiding gentleman in favor either of a republican form of government or of a limited monarchy; believes in the literature and language of England; is a warm supporter of the English constitution and Sunday schools and missionary societies; and is as purely a manufactured article as any puppet of a half-penny theater.

    With such views of the Creator it is, of course, not surprising that erroneous views should be entertained of the creation. To such properly trimmed people, the sheep, for example, is an easy problem -- food and clothing "for us," eating grass and daisies white by divine appointment for this predestined purpose, on perceiving the demand for wool that would be occasioned by the eating of the apple in the Garden of Eden.

    In the same pleasant plan, whales are store. houses of oil for us, to help out the stars in lighting our dark ways until the discovery of the Pennsylvania oil wells. Among plants, hemp, to say nothing of the cereals, is a case of evident destination for ships' rigging, wrapping packages, and hanging the wicked.:) Cotton is another other plain case of clothing. Iron was made for hammers and plows, and lead for bullets all intended for us. And so of other small handfuls of insignificant things.

    But if we should ask these profound expositors of the creators intentions, How about those man-eating animals -- lions, tigers, alligators -- which smack their lips over raw man? Or about those myriads of noxious insects that destroy labor and drink his blood? Doubtless man was intended for food and drink for all these? Oh, no! Not at all! These are unresolvable difficulties connected with Eden's apple and the Devil. Why does water drown its lord? Why do so many minerals poison him? Why are so many plants and fishes deadly enemies? Why is the lord of creation subjected to the same laws of life as his subjects? Oh, all these things are satanic, or in some way connected with the first garden.

    Now, it never seems to occur to these far-seeing teachers that Nature's object in making animals and plants might possibly be first of all the happiness of each one of them, not the creation of all for the happiness of one. why should man value himself as more than a small part of the one great unit of creation? And what creature of all that the Lord has taken the pains to make is not essential to the completeness of that unit -- the cosmos? The universe would be incomplete without man; but it would also be incomplete without the smallest transmicroscopic creature that dwells beyond our conceitful eyes and knowledge.

    From the dust of the earth, from the common elementary fund, the Creator Mother has made Homo Sapiens . From the same material she has made every other creature, however noxious and insignificant to us. They are earth-born companions and our fellow mortals. The fearfully good, the orthodox, of this laborious patch-work of modern civilization cry "Heresy" on every one whose sympathies reach a single hair's breadth beyond the boundary epidermis of our own species. Not content with taking all of earth, they also claim the celestial country as the only ones who possess the kind of souls for which that imponderable empire was planned.

    This planet, our own good earth, made many a successful journey around the heavens ere man was made, and whole kingdoms of creatures enjoyed existence and returned to dust ere man appeared to claim them. After human beings have also played their part in Creation's plan, they too may disappear without any general burning or extraordinary commotion whatever.

    Plants are credited with but dim and uncertain sensation, and minerals with positively none at all. But why may not even a mineral arrangement of matter be endowed with sensation of a kind that we in our blind exclusive perfection can have no manner of communication with?

    But I have wandered from my object. I stated a page or two back that man claimed the earth was made for him, and I was going to say that venomous beasts, thorny plants, and deadly diseases of certain parts of the earth prove that the whole world was not made for him. When an animal from a tropical climate is taken to high latitudes, it may perish of cold, and we say that such an animal was never intended for so severe a climate. But when man betakes himself to sickly parts of the tropics and perishes, he cannot see that he was never intended for such deadly climates. No, he will rather accuse the first mother of the cause of the difficulty, though she may never have seen a fever district; or will consider it a providential chastisement for some self-invented form of sin.

    Furthermore, all uneatable and uncivilizable animals, and all plants which carry prickles, are deplorable evils which, according to closet researches of clergy, require the cleansing chemistry of universal planetary combustion. But more than aught else mankind requires burning, as being in great part wicked, and if that transmundane furnace can be so applied and regulated as to smelt and purify us into conformity with the rest of the terrestrial creation, then the tophetization of the erratic genus Homo were a consummation devoutly to be prayed for. But, glad to leave these ecclesiastical fires and blunders, I joyfully return to the immortal truth and immortal beauty of.

    You all are welcome to your cosmic biblical oblivian... As if you will be allowed to enter it after leaving this one such a mess..




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    :rolleyes: In your ranting and raving, I only skim through what you type. Now, I like to talk, but I know if I get too lengthy in what I say, I risk people ignoring what I say. Try to keep it to the point, Since I have nothing to do right now, I did read over completely of your second post.

    Am I to understand your biggest problem is that you think that I and many other Christians believe that we are the masters of this planet, as apposed to being equal to all other things? Am I to assume you also think there should be more "animal rights" and that we should be more respectful of our environment around us?

    Now, if the answer is yes to any of the above, do you support current stances of Democracy and a certain amount of limited government? Would you rather see some sort of representation for animals and to have more control to certain parts of the government?

    </span><blockquote><span class="smallfont">Quote:</span><hr size="1" />Originally Posted by
    "Plants are credited with but dim and uncertain sensation, and minerals with positively none at all. But why may not even a mineral arrangement of matter be endowed with sensation of a kind that we in our blind exclusive perfection can have no manner of communication with?"<hr size="1" /></blockquote><span class='postcolor'>

    Now what the heck is this?&#33; Are you saying we should try to communicate with plants and rocks? You are sorely tempting me to make jokes, "I have talked to my toaster and cactus before, but they seem to be standoffish." If you really think that plants and rocks are entities who should be communicated with, please say that. I and others will respect you more if you just say it, rather then imply it or say it in a way that is above our heads.

    Again, you need to be more concise. If you are as smart as you think you are, you are capable of this. I think even a simple yes or no would do.

    Meat tastes like murder and murder tastes pretty *** damn good - Denis Leary

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    Mojo the Migo,

    Nice screen name.. who are you Mojo?

    </span><blockquote><span class="smallfont">Quote:</span><hr size="1" />Originally Posted by
    Am I to understand your biggest problem is that you think that I and many other Christians believe that we are the masters of this planet, as apposed to being equal to all other things? <hr size="1" /></blockquote><span class='postcolor'>

    Yes.

    </span><blockquote><span class="smallfont">Quote:</span><hr size="1" />Originally Posted by
    Am I to assume you also think there should be more "animal rights" and that we should be more respectful of our environment around us?<hr size="1" /></blockquote><span class='postcolor'>

    More respectful yes, (add) "reverent" of the environment, inertly and biologically. Using the word "our" suggests we (humans) own it.

    </span><blockquote><span class="smallfont">Quote:</span><hr size="1" />Originally Posted by
    Now, if the answer is yes to any of the above, do you support current stances of Democracy and a certain amount of limited government? Would you rather see some sort of representation for animals and to have more control to certain parts of the government?<hr size="1" /></blockquote><span class='postcolor'>

    Democracy? Government? Natural Law comes before "human law" and takes precedence in all cases.

    Human law is (i.e., that which is promulgated by human beings) is valid only insofar as its content conforms to the content of the natural law. If in any point it deflects from the law of nature, it is no longer a law but a perversion of law. Simply, the natural law consists of one supreme and universal principle, from which are derived all our natural moral obligations or duties. Then proceeds from there as a seed and eventually a tree with many branches but if any part of the branch below is infirm the branch above is so too.

    </span><blockquote><span class="smallfont">Quote:</span><hr size="1" />Originally Posted by
    Now what the heck is this?&#33; Are you saying we should try to communicate with plants and rocks? <hr size="1" /></blockquote><span class='postcolor'>

    Communicating is knowing, yes - each thing has an end that should be known and understood.

    </span><blockquote><span class="smallfont">Quote:</span><hr size="1" />Originally Posted by
    "I have talked to my toaster and cactus before, but they seem to be standoffish." If you really think that plants and rocks are entities who should be communicated with, please say that. I and others will respect you more if you just say it, rather then imply it or say it in a way that is above our heads.<hr size="1" /></blockquote><span class='postcolor'>

    If you do not know, understand (communicate with) your plants they may poison you, the toaster will burn or electrocute you and the cactus is sure to prick you. If you have not experienced this communication you need to come out of your box Mojo.

    No, I have no place for systems or beliefs created by men outside and above the supreme law of nature. Human beings are just brainy little monkeys very adept in escaping responsibility from whence they owe their very existence.


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    A Mi-Go is a species of alien in H. P. Lovecraft&#39;s stories, most notably "Whisperer in the Darkness". Mojo is just a cute add on.
    Ok, now the problem with your argument is that there is no clear way to enforce "natures law". On many details, its hard to know what "natures law" is, its not well ENOUGH defined. That&#39;s why we have human law, which sometimes go on "natures law", hunting restrictions, pollutions laws, etc. I&#39;m sure you&#39;d like to see more of these kinds of laws.

    Now, who are you to say what is and what isn&#39;t? You should be allowed to "revere" the land and animals as you wish, and we should be able to think we are the masters of our Earthly home. You seem you want to push your beliefs of "natures law" on the unwilling masses, that I have a problem with. You have every right to convince the populous that your ways are better but you should not be allowed to enforce them.

    I know what I&#39;m saying is falling on deaf ears, considering your fighting for the "rights" of nature.

    Meat tastes like murder and murder tastes pretty *** damn good - Denis Leary

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    This thread lost me.


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    </span><blockquote><span class="smallfont">Quote:</span><hr size="1" />Originally Posted by
    This thread lost me.<hr size="1" /></blockquote><span class='postcolor'>

    Sheep is POed with Western/Christian cultural views in that we humans are to arrogant and think we&#39;re #1 and we abuse nature.

    I&#39;m concerned that Sheep has uber alas views and wouldn&#39;t mind subjecting this country and others to his beliefs.

    Meat tastes like murder and murder tastes pretty *** damn good - Denis Leary

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    Yes Whisperer in the Darkness, you have a good point that should not be overlooked..homeboys are indeed part of Nature and I agree with that concept. Homies have been given a superior reasoning ability and self awareness to task these very things and their place within them. This is the spirit of Nature itself that manifests within us. The bigger thing is not; "Flying to the sun without burning a wing", it is, "lying in the meadow to hear the grass sing." To rob a pro from the Moody Blues..

    Biblical teaching wondered off after Noah and his ark.
    He would re-build the two giant structures in New York into 120 story tall chicken coops, and the city could become a sty for pigs. Or is it already? See, half of Noah&#39;s task is complete&#33;

    Then Washington DC can be turned into dairy-land and we can milk them like they milked the people of earth for the last 180 years.

    :)

    Sorry suburbanite. The promised land went thataway ----&#62;"(Arab oil)"


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