You can't be a christian and support the death penalty

[dthmstr254]

I wonder what Zealot and Dhtmr think about those kind of Christians......

I would have to say that you have to understand contextual implications. if the Bible literally designates part of itself as a parable or comparison, then it is. examples of this would be Jesus comparing Himself to the temple, the prophet Jeremiah using metaphor when he wore a yoke about his own neck, symbolizing that the Jews should not resist the Babylonians incursions, and the metaphor-rich book of Revelations. it takes an understanding of the Scriptures to be able to differentiate, and that only comes by the Holy Spirit. this is why I would agree with Deedee here. add in the fact that the Bible is unexhaustible and you see that the Bible can be taken both literally and implicitly. "for all Scripture is given by inspiration of God, and is profitable for doctrine, reproof, correction, and instruction in righteousness." in order to get all of this out of the Bible, one must take it both literally and implicitly.

[pubmanager]

The Roman Catholic is one of the oldest and also the most corrupt. Some in the long line of Popes were rotten to the core. Remember the RC as it tried to kill Martin Luther because he dared to ask questions. It was also the Romans who brutally killed Christians, remember?

Zealot, please re-read the original question.

[Dadoo]

Dthmstr254-

You Quote from Old Testament only.
An update/ aka The New Testament, clearly redefines the hateful/ veangeful principles of the old.
The Jews are still allowed to murder and maim in principle, as they honor the words of long-dead Mystics.
However the term CHRISTIAN is named after Christ, who BTW appears in the New Testament and clearly was Murdered by the Jews for insisting that such activity was in error, or at least did not reflect divine intention.
As there is little to no disparity betwixt the 3 emanations of Christian GodHead, "The Son" must be honored as the Father was. In short, The Bible offers a new methodology of living for those who need such guidance in the New Testament. Christians are advised not to murder by Christ Itself.
The Jews are fine and will ascend to heaven with blood on their hands whilst the Christians are requested to abstain from the popular sport of murder.
Leviticus and Deuteronomy proscribed proper and rightful actions for their era.
Times and circumstances change, even if some people do not.

No, Christians who Murder, like G.W. Bush are NOT Christians. Whatever they say.
They are perhaps, Neo-Jews. Christ, was born a Jew, as a Man. However His father is God of Both Jews and Christians, by Biblical Decree. Is there a double-standard?
I am sure you have the answers, no?
*wink*
But, in the end, we are all forgiven. (People don't actually die)
Life after Death means to me, Life Unbroken.
Unmurderable, I am.
You Be same.
Love and Wisdom,
dadoo

[Samildanach]

Thats another point altogether, but a valid one. If you murder a Christian then technically its not murder as they will still be liveing, just somewhere else....its more like moving house.

[Zealot]

Thats another point altogether, but a valid one. If you murder a Christian then technically its not murder as they will still be liveing, just somewhere else....its more like moving house.

And as long as you hold up your end of the deal and pay your debt to society, go fer it!

[rez]

any "Christians" have a response for dadoo? Thanks dadoo for that information.

[shield772]

Dthmstr254-

You Quote from Old Testament only.
An update/ aka The New Testament, clearly redefines the hateful/ veangeful principles of the old.
The Jews are still allowed to murder and maim in principle, as they honor the words of long-dead Mystics.
However the term CHRISTIAN is named after Christ, who BTW appears in the New Testament and clearly was Murdered by the Jews for insisting that such activity was in error, or at least did not reflect divine intention.
As there is little to no disparity betwixt the 3 emanations of Christian GodHead, "The Son" must be honored as the Father was. In short, The Bible offers a new methodology of living for those who need such guidance in the New Testament. Christians are advised not to murder by Christ Itself.
The Jews are fine and will ascend to heaven with blood on their hands whilst the Christians are requested to abstain from the popular sport of murder.
Leviticus and Deuteronomy proscribed proper and rightful actions for their era.
Times and circumstances change, even if some people do not.

No, Christians who Murder, like G.W. Bush are NOT Christians. Whatever they say.
They are perhaps, Neo-Jews. Christ, was born a Jew, as a Man. However His father is God of Both Jews and Christians, by Biblical Decree. Is there a double-standard?
I am sure you have the answers, no?
*wink*
But, in the end, we are all forgiven. (People don't actually die)
Life after Death means to me, Life Unbroken.
Unmurderable, I am.
You Be same.
Love and Wisdom,
dadoo

There is a difference between murder and killing, I know it seems like semantics to you but if they were meant to mean the same thing we wouldn't have different words, I have killed but I have not murdered, I have not sinned (in that regard) and the killing of individuals that murderer and are tried, convicted, had their appeals, and now are set to be executed is not murder it is justice and a justice that God has approved of and that Christ never spoke against, he said we should forgive not abdacate justice, that is why all soon to be executed individuals are provided with a spiritual counselor in their last days, so they may seek absolution from their crimes/sins.

[dthmstr254]

There is a difference between murder and killing, I know it seems like semantics to you but if they were meant to mean the same thing we wouldn't have different words, I have killed but I have not murdered, I have not sinned (in that regard) and the killing of individuals that murderer and are tried, convicted, had their appeals, and now are set to be executed is not murder it is justice and a justice that God has approved of and that Christ never spoke against, he said we should forgive not abdacate justice, that is why all soon to be executed individuals are provided with a spiritual counselor in their last days, so they may seek absolution from their crimes/sins.

shoot, even Hebrews had two different words.

[dthmstr254]

Dthmstr254-

You Quote from Old Testament only.
An update/ aka The New Testament, clearly redefines the hateful/ veangeful principles of the old.
The Jews are still allowed to murder and maim in principle, as they honor the words of long-dead Mystics.
However the term CHRISTIAN is named after Christ, who BTW appears in the New Testament and clearly was Murdered by the Jews for insisting that such activity was in error, or at least did not reflect divine intention.
As there is little to no disparity betwixt the 3 emanations of Christian GodHead, "The Son" must be honored as the Father was. In short, The Bible offers a new methodology of living for those who need such guidance in the New Testament. Christians are advised not to murder by Christ Itself.
The Jews are fine and will ascend to heaven with blood on their hands whilst the Christians are requested to abstain from the popular sport of murder.
Leviticus and Deuteronomy proscribed proper and rightful actions for their era.
Times and circumstances change, even if some people do not.

No, Christians who Murder, like G.W. Bush are NOT Christians. Whatever they say.
They are perhaps, Neo-Jews. Christ, was born a Jew, as a Man. However His father is God of Both Jews and Christians, by Biblical Decree. Is there a double-standard?
I am sure you have the answers, no?
*wink*
But, in the end, we are all forgiven. (People don't actually die)
Life after Death means to me, Life Unbroken.
Unmurderable, I am.
You Be same.
Love and Wisdom,
dadoo

sorry, but you really are confused. Jesus Himself said that every word in the Old Testament "from Seth to Zechariah" was to be followed. in other words, we still have to follow them.

[kalel29]

Romans 13. Read that Chapter. That's my justification for the death penalty right there.

[Dadoo]

Dthmstr254 once said, "sorry, but you really are confused. Jesus Himself said that every word in the Old Testament "from Seth to Zechariah" was to be followed. in other words, we still have to follow them."

Dadoo replied with a question-
"what of contradictions? Are there opposing concepts between The old and new testimonials?"

[dthmstr254]

Dthmstr254 once said, "sorry, but you really are confused. Jesus Himself said that every word in the Old Testament "from Seth to Zechariah" was to be followed. in other words, we still have to follow them."

Dadoo replied with a question-
"what of contradictions? Are there opposing concepts between The old and new testimonials?"

no, there are clarifications to be made. Jesus had still not died yet, what he was referring to is that without Jesus's death, the Old Testament Law was still in effect. the book of Acts illustrates the transition from the law to grace. without Christ, one is tested by the law, and by the law, if you break one law, you are guilty of all the law. according to Galatians 5, when we are walking "in the Spirit" we are no longer under the law, but a Christian not walking in the Spirit is under the law, and the law finds him guilty and invites God's divine discipline. the New Testament is not new in the sense that it replaces the Old Testament, it is new in the sense that it FULFILLS the Old testament. in a sense, the Old and New Testaments overlap, because until Christ's death and ressurection, the Old Testament Law was still in effect, which is why the book of Acts is a perfect illustration of the transition from Law to grace.