Nazism is beautiful, for it creates purpose.Quote by: LetThereBe
Nazism is beautiful, for it creates purpose.
Heh, there is no ultimate purpose without the supernatural.
Serious as a heart attack...
...and twice as deadly.
But that doesn't mean that there is an ultimate purpose with the supernatural, at least not for mankind. I look at the universe and I look at all the living creatures that I know of and if there is a god and it created the universe for its favorite creature I would have to conclude that it is not man.
Starboy
Oh really? It seems that the universe is fairly well suited toward man. In what way would you argue otherwise?
Serious as a heart attack...
...and twice as deadly.
Man can only live in a very narrow range. The universe is huge and we do not have any technology that would even come close to covering an itsy bitsy part of it. If the envornment goes bad we are toast. We don't hibernate nor do we freeze well. We take a lot of energy to maintain even the most basic function.
Take bacteria on the other hand. The universe seems to have been made for them. They can live in a huge variety of environments. Deep undersea, on the highest mountains, in Antarctica, in boiling hot springs, even the cooling coils of nuclear reactors. And they can go into spore mode. Bacteria have been found that were over 350million years old and they were revived and were alive and kicking. They are very small. Do not need much energy and can live off a very large range of energy sources. They can survive hard vacuum indefinitely. They are certainly capable of catching a ride on fast moving intergalactic debris and in that time frame could hop from galaxy to galaxy. Something that we could never hope to do. In fact there is some speculation that life on the earth did not originate here. That it is the result of such intergalactic bacteria. Bacteria with the right conditions can live almost forever. They can rapidly mutate to better adapt to their environment. They are the most numerous life form on the planet by far. And there is not a life form on the planet that does not rely on one form or another of bacterial life to survive. In short they are far more successful at life than we are, much better adapted and much more important in the grand scheme of things than we are. And when we are long gone even to the point where this is not single large multi-celled organism in the universe there will be bacteria. Obviously god chosen creature. If is funny that god never mentions them. Perhaps god did not want us to know about them. Gee, I wonder why?
Starboy
In one of the Discworld books, one of the characters stays behind to help this god who is creating new places and people. He leaves when he finds out that this god's ultimate creation is the cockroach, and he has little to no interest in humans.
This planet is supportive of mankind, but the universe, actually anywhere but this one planet, is incredibly hostile humans. We will, for many centuries yet, have to haul our environment around with us if we ever leave here. We would never exist otherwise.It seems that the universe is fairly well suited toward man
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I read somewhere that the moon has a similar pressure as the earth, and we could walk around on it without being hurt, just so long as we have something to breathe out of. Sounds like BS to me, but I'm really not all that educated when it comes to science.
Re: Problems with my faith [Re: Arietis]
#129168 - 10/16/05 06:13 AM (203.59.240.4) Edit Reply Quote
I can understand where you are coming from too. I was the same - I'd find a religion and think - "this is the one" only to fall out of faith with it after a short period of time (mostly because the scientist in me - I started my degree in Physics - needing evidence too).
Luckily for me, I have evidence now. The Netjer physically speak to me. I either hear their voices or get images. I can't describe this adequetely to anyone - without them thinking I've gone nuts (which sometimes makes me question my path too). And unfortunately - unless you experience it for yourself, it ain't going to make much difference to you.
All I can suggest, is maybe you haven't found the right path yet, and you are to keep looking. Keep researching. This doesn't mean you can't remain here and make friends or not honour the Netjer, but keep researching and learning about other religions too - maybe one day the Gods of a religion will claim you - when you are ready - and you will have that evidence.
Just never give up on the desire to seek and learn.
Senebty
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B] interesting view into this world......Christians are not the only ones who hear voices from their God![/B] Interesting voices talking to people......they must be crazy!
Last edited by sergeant; 20th October 2005 at 04:28 AM.
yeah....that!
Lovely statement, particularly the second part Viz, "the ones I loved would want that". I believe cent percent in it, that is why I try to console those losing dears, not to panic about their loss. If at all they exist somewhere and are watching you they would be pained to see you grieiving. So one should be mentally as normal as possible at the time of losing one's dear one, but physically, all necessary duties should be accomplished in best possible way e.g. disposing out his body as per concerned religious rituals.
Scribbler1,
But, following that line of reasoning to it's logical end leads us to something none of us want. Since the government can't actually determine whether a person truely believes in something or not, anything could conceivably be dismissed as a matter of belief. Take the sexual cleansers in Africa. Women who lose a husband are convinced that they are contaminated by evil spirits and only sex with a sexual cleanser will free them. In my book that's rape. In fact, people who've done that here in the US have been convicted of rape.
Or how about the BS re-birthing techniques performed on children? Somtimes it's harmful and can be fatal. Are they off the hook because they 'believed' that it would work?
The big question is, where is the line drawn? I think it should be drawn on the side of reason. If the 'seller' can't demonstrate that what they're 'selling' works, it should be considered fraud or at least have a disclaimer like the psychic hotlines that reads, 'for entertainment purposes only.'
I hope that one day, I'll flip on some televangelist show and see that line flashing on the bottom of the screen. It'd be nice to see that on churches too :)
The type of faith being discussed is not hope. Faith, in the scope of this argument, is the belief in something for which there is no supporting evidence or the belief in something for which there is strong evidence to the contrary. I've looked in several dictionaries and can't find any that define faith as hope. I couldn't even find hope as a synonym for faith in the thesaurus.
Actually, it seems hope defies faith. Why would you 'hope' that what you have absolute faith in is true? Hope implies uncertainty. People 'hope' when they're uncertain about the future.
I hope I'm right. I don't 'believe' I'm right. I think I'm right. Belief isn't necessary at all.
Defined as such, I don't have faith. That type of faith is immoral. I have hope, but not faith. Hell, I don't even have beliefs. I believe in nothing. I choose to think my way through life thank you very much.
Hope creates purpose. Faith, as defined above, only leads to confusion, hurt and death.
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