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    Quote Quote by: tivodan1116
    PROVE IT. Prove that the USPS receives federal government money. THEY HAVEN'T... The Postal Service has been entirely funded through postage since the late 70's.

    Go to the USPS website and look at their budget.

    I want REAL proof, not bullshit conspiracy theories about magical funding "slipped" into appropriations bills. FACT: THE USPS DOES NOT GET TAX MONEY

    http://www.usps.com/news/2001/press/pr01_046.htm - 2001 Press release from the USPS showing where their money comes from.
    And they're the ones putting those documents out. IE, they wrote them.


    Simple logic that you can't ever prove wrong: the USPS offers a service below market price. Thus, they get money from an outside source.

    Note also, that it doesn't exactly mean that they're receiving sums of money. It could simply be a case of the government putting up limits of how much it "costs" for the USPS to run. IE, discounts that a private company doesn't get.


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    Quote Quote by: tman_ndsu08
    I'm against taxation except for police, courts, prisons, and military.

    And those should be paid with a flat rate sales tax.
    But what about what I said, a voluntary, line-item tax system? What's wrong with that idea?

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    Quote Quote by: tman_ndsu08
    Simple logic that you can't ever prove wrong: the USPS offers a service below market price. Thus, they get money from an outside source.
    Flawed. Because A is true does not mean B must be the reason.

    What is your reasoning for believing that postal services are offered below market price? Since they have what you call a monopoly, shouldn't their prices be above the market price? Furthermore, since you say that no one can compete to deliver mail, how do you know it is below market price since, by your own admission, there is no free market in this service?

    Still further, your understanding of economics is flawed. The "market price" of a product is really an average of all the identical or very similar products that exist. By definition of the word average, some of these products will be below market price. This doesn't mean that they are getting money from somewhere else, it means their competitors are overcharging.

    All of course, is moot since there are no competitors, and thus no market, and thus flaw in your logic that because the USPS offers service below market price, they receive tax subsidies, a supposition that is as patently untrue as saying grass is red.

    quod erat demonstrandum.

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    by the way, the entire federal budget is available online at www.whitehouse.gov

    read through it and find tax subsidies for the USPS. See you in a few years when you finish looking.

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    Quote Quote by: tivodan1116
    by the way, the entire federal budget is available online at www.whitehouse.gov

    read through it and find tax subsidies for the USPS. See you in a few years when you finish looking.
    I think I provided two or three examples of subsidies. One of them is for overseas ballots, from what I recall. It's nothing to get in an uproar about.

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    Quote Quote by: tivodan1116
    Flawed. Because A is true does not mean B must be the reason.

    What is your reasoning for believing that postal services are offered below market price? Since they have what you call a monopoly, shouldn't their prices be above the market price? Furthermore, since you say that no one can compete to deliver mail, how do you know it is below market price since, by your own admission, there is no free market in this service?

    Still further, your understanding of economics is flawed. The "market price" of a product is really an average of all the identical or very similar products that exist. By definition of the word average, some of these products will be below market price. This doesn't mean that they are getting money from somewhere else, it means their competitors are overcharging.

    All of course, is moot since there are no competitors, and thus no market, and thus flaw in your logic that because the USPS offers service below market price, they receive tax subsidies, a supposition that is as patently untrue as saying grass is red.

    quod erat demonstrandum.

    How can you possibly explain a service at below market price, then?

    Except it's not really below market price.

    We all pay for it. It's just those who use it the most (IE the poor) who see the below market price direct savings.


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    Quote Quote by: zynner
    Japan has just privatized its government postal service.

    My prediction: Within 5 years, Japan will have the most efficient postal system in the world.

    Also: If the Japanese government continues these kinds of reforms, their economy will finally get out of its 15-year decline and become a world leader again. Maybe that's why their stock market has been going up lately while ours has been flat and appears headed lower.

    The USA should follow Japan's footsteps on this one.

    http://news.yahoo.com/s/ap/20051014/..._postal_reform
    And I predict it will have one of the most inefficient post sectors in the world.

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    Quote Quote by: tman_ndsu08
    Yes, why not?

    What's the difference?


    Electronic money can't be stolen.

    because people like you are gonna piss off people like me, when in front of in line at the grocery store, buying a pack of gum using a credit card.

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    Quote Quote by: |Chris|
    because people like you are gonna piss off people like me, when in front of in line at the grocery store, buying a pack of gum using a credit card.

    Which takes less time than some old guy rummaging through his damn pants pockets going "hold on a damn minute, I know I have another penny in there somewhere!".


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    Quote Quote by: tman_ndsu08
    Which takes less time than some old guy rummaging through his damn pants pockets going "hold on a damn minute, I know I have another penny in there somewhere!".
    But you should take into account "identity theft," which is a pretty common thing in the world.

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    I like what Japan is doing. I agree with the OP that the US should follow in their footsteps. I have never understood why the mail service was federally controlled. It should be private interests who deliver the mail as competing private interests would do a better job of getting the mail their on time and wouldn't lose nearly as many packages for fear of lost customers.

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    Quote Quote by: grandpa
    But you should take into account "identity theft," which is a pretty common thing in the world.

    Grandpa h.
    And is not less of a threat if we have paper money. You still have a checking account.


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