What will it take to prove religion?

[Athena]

So what's wrong with quoting the Bible? Let religous folks be bibical if they want to. Let Muslims be Muslims, let Jews be Jews and let Christians be Christians. It makes no difference to you. It's their lives and it's none of your business what other people think or believe.

You're sounding a little Liberal here, oh goddess of the mother city of democracy. I suggest you adopt a more Conservative tone. Conservatives understand that the state cannot influence anyones religious beliefs nor can they regulate the practice of religions. Nor can you or I.

If you don't like someones religious beliefs you are free to ignor them. Anything else is a crime.

Stuck Logs

Athena comes before Jesus, and democracy is a constant search for truth. Reading only the bible is not a wide enough search for truth. You must be able to compare what is written in the bible with other common ancient beliefs and influences, before you are prepared to discuss what you believe with literate people. Amen is Egyptian and refers to an unseen God. Much was said about this God and much the same is said of the God of the bible.

Consider this, if an alien landed and dictated to Mose the most awesome religion, and people had no concepts to make this religion believable, Mose would be considered a nut case and no one would have paid attention to his religion. All those God concepts were already in people's heads. All those rules and commandments were already in people's heads. There was nothing startling new about the religion. The stories of Adam and Eve and the flood were wide spread and came in several different versions. So one little group separated themselves from everyone else and later Christians pick up the religion and adjust it to suit themselves. It is adjusted again during the Protestant Reformation and adjusted during the Age of Enlightenment, and for awhile everyone intrepreted the bible abstractly and democracy united us. Then we replaced liberal education with education for technology and Christians reverted back to concert thinking. Christianity without education for democracy is what The Republic of Germany had, and today everyone is seeing what was wrong with that Christianity. Democracy is so superior to Christianity, but we can't even discuss this, with people who can do no more than quote the bible.

If you what to debate religion, learn something besides the bible. If you don't want to debate religion, stay out of the forums. Please, I can tell you far more about the bible, than you can tell me of any other beliefs. The problem is, you just don't know enough to have a reasonable discussion of the judge what you believe. Your belief is based on ignorance of everything but the bible.

You can't even explain how Moses got the stories of Adam and Eve and the flood. I am telling you they were common stories. The bible tells only one people's understanding of the stories and God. There was nothing so special to warrent this becoming the sole source of information. Christianity is a terrible preversion of religious thought, because of the mass ignorance that goes with it.

[Athena]

i already gave my answer to that, referring to the Bible as a list of compiled stories that are myths is wrong. i refer to the Bible always as the inspired ("God-breathed") Word of God. Plato and Aristotle never contacted, and there was not any agreement between the Hebrews and the Greeks until the time of the Roman empire, when they were forced to live together, and you can still see the amount of prejudice there was between the Jews of that time and any other race or people. ever heard of the Samaritans? they were the half breeds between Jews and Greeks. they were hated as well, so that discludes the chance of them compiling the Bible at that time. the Bible was written over the period of 2000+ years, in three different languages, and it has a unity that few books have managed to acheive. i could run a synopsis of the books of the Bible if you want, but it will be contained in another thread for the sake of keeping on topic. that is only if you want it. have i quoted the Bible yet in this response, i know i did quite a lot of quoting in my last post, so i might just include my verse of the day at the end of this post. so here it is:
matthew 20:22
But Jesus answered and said, Ye know not what ye ask. Are ye able to drink of the cup that I shall drink of, and to be baptized with the baptism that I am baptized with? They say unto him, We are able.

How do you know the bible is not strongly influenced with Egyptain theology and Sumerian stories? Come to be with information of Egyptian theology and Sumerian stories if you want to convince me these are the bases for what is in the bible. And for God's sake learn something about philosophy about how Plato and Aristotle influenced Christian and Muslim thinking before you embarrass yourself again.

[Osborn F Enready]

I have to ask why anyone would want to "disprove" a belief, unless those that believed in it were trying to influence others by, or by forcing that belief down other throats?

Why do people have so much trouble understanding the difference between belief and fact?

[Athena]

Christianity and Mathematics
... who exerted the most influence on Christianity were Plato and Aristotle. ...
Unlike Plato, Aristotle does not see God as the creator of the world, ...
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[SoccerfreakAB2]

think about that. the egyptians hated shepherds, and the Pharaoh was the only exception

Why would the Egyptians hate sheperds?

[SoccerfreakAB2]

I have to ask why anyone would want to "disprove" a belief, unless those that believed in it were trying to influence others by, or by forcing that belief down other throats?

Why do people have so much trouble understanding the difference between belief and fact?

It's not so much trying to change one's beliefs as much as it is learning about why they believe that certain way.

[dthmstr254]

How do you know the bible is not strongly influenced with Egyptain theology and Sumerian stories? Come to be with information of Egyptian theology and Sumerian stories if you want to convince me these are the bases for what is in the bible. And for God's sake learn something about philosophy about how Plato and Aristotle influenced Christian and Muslim thinking before you embarrass yourself again.

Christianity influenced them not vice versa, and i am not embarrassing myself. "for I am not ashamed of the Gospel of Christ: for it is the power of God unto salvation to every one that believeth; to the Jew first, and also to the Greek." i have nothing to be ashamed with.

Unlike Plato, Aristotle does not see God as the creator of the world

thank you for arguing the case for me. i dont even have to research anything. this proves that Plato believed that God created the world. they did not influence Christianity, seems to me that Christianity influenced them.

Why would the Egyptians hate sheperds?

because shepherds had learned to raise their food and clothing for a living. the egyptians could not raise sheep because the fertile land was taken over by farmers. no room was left to raise sheep so they were jealous

I have to ask why anyone would want to "disprove" a belief, unless those that believed in it were trying to influence others by, or by forcing that belief down other throats?

if you ask me, the evolutionists want to shove their beliefs down my throat, but i am allergic to stupidity.

[Osborn F Enready]

I will give the same, in my opinion, only honest answer to the question that I gave in the "What will it take to disprove religion forever" thread.

Answer:
Death.

[SoccerfreakAB2]

I will give the same, in my opinion, only honest answer to the question that I gave in the "What will it take to disprove religion forever" thread.

Answer:
Death.

That's one answer. But seeing that's currently impossible to obtain then live again, I am wondering if there is more than one answer to these questions.

[Athena]

Christianity influenced them not vice versa, and i am not embarrassing myself. "for I am not ashamed of the Gospel of Christ: for it is the power of God unto salvation to every one that believeth; to the Jew first, and also to the Greek." i have nothing to be ashamed with.


thank you for arguing the case for me. i dont even have to research anything. this proves that Plato believed that God created the world. they did not influence Christianity, seems to me that Christianity influenced them.


because shepherds had learned to raise their food and clothing for a living. the egyptians could not raise sheep because the fertile land was taken over by farmers. no room was left to raise sheep so they were jealous


if you ask me, the evolutionists want to shove their beliefs down my throat, but i am allergic to stupidity.

You are not well informed. What Egyptians said of the one God comes long before Hebrews or Christianity. Plato and Aristotle predate Christianity, and if you use the link I posted you will learn who they influenced Christianity. I provided the link that would improve your understanding and everyone can use it and read what you are saying. Right now you are looking like the King without clothes.

[SoccerfreakAB2]

because shepherds had learned to raise their food and clothing for a living. the egyptians could not raise sheep because the fertile land was taken over by farmers. no room was left to raise sheep so they were jealous

Your telling me that the Egyptians, at the time probably the most prominent society, were rvialed by nomadic herdsmen? Sheep are one out of hundreds of trading or bartering products for one. I doubt that the mighty Egyptians were jealous. What were they jealous of? A small band of nomads? It's not like the nomads invaded the Nile Valley, using up all of its resources. Terrible argument.

[dthmstr254]

Your telling me that the Egyptians, at the time probably the most prominent society, were rvialed by nomadic herdsmen? Sheep are one out of hundreds of trading or bartering products for one. I doubt that the mighty Egyptians were jealous. What were they jealous of? A small band of nomads? It's not like the nomads invaded the Nile Valley, using up all of its resources. Terrible argument.

small band of nomads?????
there were over 600000 MEN that left in the Exodus! not to mention women and children! in the end the estimate is i excess of two million people. the egyptians were jealous and afraid, otherwise the pharaoh would not have ordered the execution of every israelite baby boy, and put them all in slavery. imagin what would have happened if two million people took up arms and attacked the egyptian army. at that time an army of that size would be very difficult for even the egyptians to counter, because of the amount of spread its army covered, the attack would be as devestating as pearl harbor had the potential of being to us. they lacked the ability to mobilize a force that large in a days notice.