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Some questions for discussion about Jews.
1)Why are they disproportinately more wealthy than other minority groups (that is IF we group them as a race)
And if you don't beleive that they are, why have they been stereotyped that way.
2)Have jews done anything to deserve the persecution that they have recieved over the past 2 millenia.
3)Do jews really beleive that the messiah has not arrived and will come to earth to reign for 2000 years.
4)why don't jews beleive chrsit was the messaih?
1. The most likely explanation is the prohibition of ursury maintained by Christian religions for most of their history, and still maintained by Muslim faith. As a result, the Jewish people became money lenders and bankers. There are other explanations, to do with the way the Jewish culture preserves itself despite being in other nations, but these are a little less convincing. I think the religious (and institutional) ban on ursury is the most likely causal factor.
2. Nobody deserves persecution -- or to be the target of genocide. Being Jewish doesn't change ones most basic human rights to life and autonomy.
3. Yes (although there are exceptions, messianic Jews or Jews for Christ).
4. Because they do not believe the person of Jesus embodied their prophecies of a messiah. The prophecies contained a lot of fairly specific things that the Messiah would do -- Jesus did some, but not all of them. It was also a partially political decision, much the same way as the later reformation both changed the Catholic Church and estanlished the protestant churches, Christ both changes Judeism and established Christian Churches.
So do jews believe in some of the teachings of jesus.?Originally posted by Geoff332@Sep 11 2003, 05:20 PM
4. Because they do not believe the person of Jesus embodied their prophecies of a messiah. The prophecies contained a lot of fairly specific things that the Messiah would do -- Jesus did some, but not all of them. It was also a partially political decision, much the same way as the later reformation both changed the Catholic Church and estanlished the protestant churches, Christ both changes Judeism and established Christian Churches.
What do they think of the claims jesus made?
Are jews supposed to be following old testament law?
Unless I am mistaken, the Jews regard Jesus as a prophet rather than a deity. They follow the version of the bible that they wrote, not non-Hebrew translations.
Feel free to correct me if I am wrong, but I am fairly certain of what I did post...
As far as what they may have done that encouraged prosecution:
#1 They have a strong cultural identity that won them no friends in Feudal Europe.
#2 They had the bad taste to have a stronger faith than the Christians of that era.
#3 They are stubborn and want to do things their way.
Personally, I have a great deal of respect for the Jewish people, even though I think that belief in any God is silly...
i have a question:
according to the Torah (the first 5 books of the bible, basically), Each time a Jew sins, he or she must sacrifice a lamb or similar animal.
they don't. they couldnt anyway, its against the law.
so ummm.... how are your sins forgiven if you're a jew?
1) Because in Catholic Europe, Jews were not allowed to own property when real estate was the source of most wealth and position. As such they made their money by trading and lending.
2) Absolutely not.
3) Technically yes.
4) Because Christ was a rebel rabbi; a rabblerouser who attracted unwanted attention from Roman colonialists. He was a rabbi, but a factionalist who could or could not be believed depending on the audience's views.
Obviously my posts are more political than theocratic. But who cares?
. . . whenever any government becomes destructive to these ends, it is the right of the people to alter or to abolish it, and to institute a new government, laying its foundations on such principles and organizing its powers in such forms as to them shall seem most likely to effect their safety and happiness.
The Jewish holy books centre around the Torah -- which is effectively the first five books of the bible, and the subsequent prohetic works (basically the old testement; but the way it is read is a little different). Given that the Bible usually refers to the Old and New testaments, it's not really accuate to say that there is a Jewish 'version'. The Bible incorporates (and, according to Christian belief, extends) Jewish holy books.
Jesus is not regarded as a prophet within Jewish belief -- Islam is the primary religion that considers Jesus a prophet, rather than the messiah. Jewish teaching on Jesus varies quite widely -- as I said, the Messianic Jews do believe that Jesus was Christ; mainstream Jewish belief is that he is not. The basic problem is the ressurection. The messiah does not die. Jewish belief is that the person of Jesus was executed and that was that. Christian belief is that he was executed and then raised from the dead -- fulfilling the messianic prophecies from the OT. There is a strong view of Jesus that he was a false messiah -- changing the law and misleading people.
Technically, OT law is Jewish law. There are different interpretations on this -- Orthodox Jews follow it far more closely than non-orthodox. There are a lot of different streams of Judeaism that I don't know much about and they vary in their interpretation and enactment of Jewish law.
yeah that's kinda like my questionOriginally posted by Gregory@Sep 11 2003, 08:23 PM
i have a question:
according to the Torah (the first 5 books of the bible, basically), Each time a Jew sins, he or she must sacrifice a lamb or similar animal.
they don't. they couldnt anyway, its against the law.
so ummm.... how are your sins forgiven if you're a jew?
why aren't they doing all the things the old testament commands?
For exactly the same reasons Christan's are not acting the same way as they were 500 years ago. Society has changed and the expression of religion in society has also changed. This doesn't mean that either the religion or the nature of the people of the religion have changed.
An analogy can be seen in looking through a coloured lens. What you are looking at won't have changed, but what you see has changed. In the same way, society forms a filter for how we see the tennents of our religion (or whatever metaphysical perspective you substitute for religion).
In the case of sacrifices, orthodox teaching is that sacrifices require the Temple. Without the Temple, there are no sacrifices. Some Orthodox Jews teach that prayer is a substitute for sacrifices, until the Temple is rebuilt. Both prayer and sacrifice are seen as ways of approaching God.
If you want to argue a specific tennant of judaic law, then give us the scripture and we can look at how it can be interpreted. Other than that, the answer I've given is the best one I can give.
Why are Jews always rich?
Because there smart, they use their heads with finance and don't take dumb risks, I don't think there much into gambling either which helps over the longrun,I have never had a bad thing to say about Jewish people, they are a peace loving race that has now got to as always, fight for its own survival against the stupid Moslems(fanatics, of course.)
Hey hey, if the british took away your territory and gave it to another people you'd be pissed too. And it seems people have a short memory on Jewish terrorism too, Zionist organisations assassinated british politicians in order to fight for a new israel.
(formerly G.Adams)
"You can avoid reality but you cannot avoid the consequences of avoiding reality" ~ Ayn Rand
if i was Osama bin Laden i would go after the british. Crash a plane into buckinham palace.Originally posted by G. Adams@Sep 12 2003, 08:09 AM
Hey hey, if the british took away your territory and gave it to another people you'd be pissed too. And it seems people have a short memory on Jewish terrorism too, Zionist organisations assassinated british politicians in order to fight for a new israel.
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