Who said awful things about Muslims? Muslim fundamentalist and terrorists, yes. But no one said awful things about Muslims. :)
Read this book, Athena, and find out why Islamic terrorists do what they do.
http://shop.cwfa.org/cwfa/item_0884198847.htm
Who said awful things about Muslims? Muslim fundamentalist and terrorists, yes. But no one said awful things about Muslims. :)
Read this book, Athena, and find out why Islamic terrorists do what they do.
http://shop.cwfa.org/cwfa/item_0884198847.htm
Last edited by tinybear; 15th July 2005 at 02:40 AM.
tiny bear, why do we even care? You know it you hit a hornets nest, you are going to be swarmed by hornets. Now is the problem to you caused by the hornets or the fact that you hit the nest?Quote by: tinybear
What happens when the US is hit? How is this different from attacking the way people who are in their own territory live? We have armed some of these people. The CIA has armed and trained some of these and attempted to get them to war against each other.
We have taken the only resource they have and refused to let them control this resource and the price of it. Why do you think Iran has not been friendly to us?
What do you know of Isreal? I swear to God, if you know nothing of Israel and Palestine you have no business what so ever spreading information about why terrorist do what they do. None! You really, really should not be spreading information without knowledge of Israel and Palestine, and US and Iran relationships, and what our CIA is doing. I am not personally a Muslim, because I don't believe any of the religions coming from the Hebrew tribes is about a true God, but I do have Muslim and Palestinian friends. What they know of Islam is not the way you understand it. And see the biblical God as a terrible God, who is the protype for abusive husbands. The bible speaks of stoning people and cutting off our hands. What you have said you don't like about the Muslims, begins in the bilbe not with Muslims. These holy books read very differently depending one's point of view and to me the bible is the no better than the Koran.
I speak controversy so we have something to talk about. Don't take me too seriously.
Even the New Testament says women should mot speak in church. The Mormons believe people with darker skin colors were touched by the grace of Satan.
Grandpa h.
You made me think of US Muslims. Because I was on a list for Muslims, someone assuming I was a black Muslim, began sending me the most racist Islamic point of view imagable! We if do have a serious economic turn down and these racist Muslims have sufficient numbers to think they could surive a voilent revolt, there will be blood shed that will shock our overly complacent population. Islam and racism is a very bad mix!
On the other hand, how do you think Christians would react to a dark skinned Jesus?
You made me think of US Muslims. Because I was on a list for Muslims, someone assuming I was a black Muslim, began sending me the most racist Islamic point of view imagable! We if do have a serious economic turn down and these racist Muslims have sufficient numbers to think they could surive a voilent revolt, there will be blood shed that will shock our overly complacent population. Islam and racism is a very bad mix!
On the other hand, how do you think Christians would react to a dark skinned Jesus?
You made me think of US Muslims. Because I was on a list for Muslims, someone assuming I was a black Muslim, began sending me the most racist Islamic point of view imagable! We if do have a serious economic turn down and these racist Muslims have sufficient numbers to think they could surive a voilent revolt, there will be blood shed that will shock our overly complacent population. Islam and racism is a very bad mix!
On the other hand, how do you think Christians would react to a dark skinned Jesus?
I speak controversy so we have something to talk about. Don't take me too seriously.
I don't love any country, so what should I do?
Grandpa h.
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On the other hand, how do you think Christians would react to a dark skinned Jesus?[/QUOTE]
That depends on their race and upbringing, really. But one thing to consider is the obvious fact that jesus probably wouldn't have been pasty white with all his desert wanderings.
Grandpa h.
In the US there are black Muslims who have racism mixed with being Muslim, and the hate some of these people carry is a threat to white people. I know because I was on their mailing list for awhile. For a short time, being on their mailing list gave me an opportunity to expand on their racist point of view. I am concerned what will happen if we ignore this group and have an economic turn down. Racism and Islam is not a good mix.
On the other hand it would be interesting to see how Christians react to a dark skinned Jesus. Googling Black Jesus images, gets several images of a Black Jesus, including an Africa statue of a Black Jesus. It is reasonable to believe Jesus was a person of dark skin and Arabic features, not the Caucasian images we are accustom to seeing. I believe if it were proven beyond doubt that Jesus was a dark skinned Arab, closer to the African line of decent than whites want to believe, that this would be a crisis for Christianity.
I speak controversy so we have something to talk about. Don't take me too seriously.
I agree that racism and religion are a deadly mix. I also think it is reasonable to monitor hateful organizations. I agree with religious freedom, but if Muslim organizations commit crimes then they become criminal organizations who need to be monitored. That's unfortunate, but that's how it goes.
Everything's a crisis for some Christians, I've realized. Harry Potter, mini-skirts, rock music, schools that refuse to teach Christian theology, etc.
There's a reason America has individual freedom and rights, and I don't think Christianity is near the top of that list.
Grandpa h.
Good point, we are living in a crisis frame of mind. We were not always like this, and I think it is being promoted by our leadership and especially those running the military industrial complex. However, my mention of crisis was more along the lines of Watts riots, then concern about Mark Twain's Tom Sayer and Huck Finn or the latest Harry Potter, or a few years back the concern about Poke'mon cards. People working from a belief in Satan and a curse of sin, irritate me. Laugh, it has been asked if we can reason with terrorist? Well is it possible to reason with anyone who holds superstition as God's truth, regardless of which religion defines God's truth for that person?
I speak controversy so we have something to talk about. Don't take me too seriously.
Let's face it, institutions love injecting fear into people. When they do that they can play the role of protector.
Yeah, those Muslim extremists can be a problem. That much is pretty obvious, but I also think we should be very concerned about those who advocate we round up all Muslims and put them in camps. That's just wrong from countless points of view.
My point has always been that we have reasoned with terrorists in the past, which is why the Taliban used Reagan's Stinger missiles against us in Afghanistan. Political struggle is involved in this terrorism issue. It's not entirely about religion. It's also about whether the US should be involved in these parts of the world. I personally think it's put us in danger far more than its made us safer.
Grandpa h.
Throughout history, the Muslims have been the most violent people in the world. They built cruel empires that committed numerous genocides by virtually annihilating races like the Aztecs, Incas, and the Aboriginal populations. Imams (Muslim preachers) deliberately sent blankets infected with chicken-pox, against which the natives had no defence. This was their practice when the missionaries failed to convert them into Islam. The natives were uprooted and placed in concentration camps, herded like animals; millions perished.
In Africa, the Muslim fanatics gave the Quran to the natives while they stole their lands and committed grand theft, by mining and shipping abundant resources like Gold, Titanium and Diamond back to Mecca. The Africans were also forced into slavery, millions transported back to Arabia, some were made to work in the plantations and this is how the Arab-Muslims became wealthy, and not through the rich oil reserves as they claim.
During the medieval period, the Muslim fanatics launched a major crusade to liberate the holy lands in Europe. Salahuddin took 6,000 Christian prisoners at Acre, including men, women and children, they were slaughtered, each one beheaded. The blood ran knee-high in European cities, however, when Richard III conquered some of the territories back, the Muslim prisoners were released unharmed, given a safe passage out and they could not look at Richard, due to the shame that they felt for the difference in conduct. The extremist Muslims also launched the vicious inquisition in Spain, killing millions of Christians and Jews, forcing them to convert or executing them en masse. Eventually many of these Christians and Jews sought refuge in tolerant Europe, running away from the evil Muslim fundamentalists, where they were free to practise their faith and prosper.
In the twentieth century, the war-mongering Muslims caused the largest wars in history that culminated in the nuking of cities like Hiroshima and Nagasaki, and they were on the verge of nuking Korea and China. Of course, they argued such killings saved a lot of lives, especially the Muslim ones! Through these wars, the first time in human history, civilians were deliberately targeted as policy to break the will of their enemies, in air raids using incendiary bombs. Cities like Dresden, Cologne and Tokyo suffered so greatly under Muslim barbarity that the bombings caused human fat to flow knee high in some places, adults and children were boiled alive.
So it was, that the Muslims invented terrorism en masse; - state terrorism! Chemical weapons another fantastic invention that was used in Vietnam, little girls were burnt alive, and the flesh slowly melted from their delicate bodies and even jumping into the water did not help. Since, the Muslims were scientifically advanced; this culminated in perhaps the sickest of all their inventions, the Hydrogen Bomb. The Muslim’s rejoiced at their ingenuity, now they could exterminate all life in cities and preserve that which Muslim Capitalists desired most, the wealth, the buildings, and the real estate. So when Peace was eventually won by exterminating their enemies into dust, they would be wealthier.
As a result, Islamic history is full of monsters like Adolf Hitler who as an Arab-Muslim from Turkey! Pol Pot a Malay-Muslim, Stalin an Uzbek-Muslim, Mussolini who was of Libyan extraction, Gengiz Khan secretly converted to Islam and then went on to turn rivers red with human blood, as per the ‘instruction’ in the Quran.
Muslims are Anti-Semitic
Muslims annihilated the Jews in history by establishing the inquisition, countless pogroms and retribution for the Jews Killing the prophet Jesus. Many Jews escaped to tolerant Europe fleeing the nasty Ottoman Sultans and the fanatical Khalifs, who used to wear a large turban, peaked with a feather and a ruby (stolen of course).
The Caliphate then attempted to annihilate the Jews; they called it the final solution, so they built gas chambers, killing millions of them. Eventually, the Jews were saved by the tolerant and peaceful European powers; they waged many wars of liberation, sacrificing millions of Christians, for such altruistic reasons.
The Muslims were influenced by the Darwinian theory of evolution, which placed the Arabs at the top, while the white Anglo-Saxons were placed near the bottom, the Jews occupying the lowest position; hence their life was not worth the same as the Muslims. The theory encouraged Muslims to engage in racial purity, like eugenics, and removing the undesirable elements by force.
Usurping Israel
The Muslims recaptured Israel in 1948 after 2000 year exile and called it Palestine. They argued that they are God’s chosen people as He personally promised the land to them in their holy book. The Jews could not dispute the Arab claim as the Arabs were there 2,000 years ago, even though it was for a very short period with lots of other empires in between. Then, the Arabs accused the Jews of being religious fanatics for referring to their holy book (Old Testament). Many of the Jews were expelled, the UN resolutions were ignored which demanded justice for the Jews, to have their lands back, and this was the example of the Muslim’s injustice and hatred for law, unless it benefited them of course.
Today the Arabs are terrorising the Jews to the point of extinction, as they continue to launch helicopter gunship attacks, shooting school children in the back whilst old people are bulldozed alive in their houses. Recently a 13 year old girl was executed by a Muslim Soldier who walked up to her limp body and proceeded to empty a whole pistol magazine into her, then changed a fresh magazine and continued firing into the blood thirsty 13 year old school girl. Even an execution of a 13 year old boy with his father trying to protect him was broadcast live on TV to the world. As usual the Arabs are very good with their media spin, so they attributed the killing to the Jews and later said, due to a technical fault, they could not see the child and the father.
Belligerent Iraq launches unprovoked aggression against the US
The US was attacked for invading Mexico and ousting the oppressive monarch by the grand alliance of the Muslim armies coming from across the Atlantic Ocean in 1991. Many parts of Mexico coincidentally happened to be rich in oil reserves. Then the defeated US troops & civilians retreated from Mexico inside the US, while they were moving along the Texas Road, they were annihilated by the Allied Muslim Air Force; the Muslim pilots even fought each other to drop bombs and obliterate man and machine, while shouting with joy “Allah Akbar”. There was no mercy and it came to be known as the “highway of death”. Muslim fanatics claimed to have liberated Mexico and then reinstalled the monarch in the name of ‘democracy’.
A real tragedy, the poor innocent Americans never did any harm to the Muslims; America’s dispute with Mexico was an internal matter for them. The Muslims then applied cruel sanctions for a decade causing the deaths of 500,000 American babies, which was “a price worth paying” according to the Arab League spokesman, Amir Mousa. The Muslims deliberately destroyed the civilian installations to inflict maximum human misery. Then, they poisoned the water system and the lands with depleted Uranium, resulting in a huge increase in the abnormal births. Americans resisted colonisation, so some Muslim-Arabs attacked the US on 9/11 seeking vengeance and compliance to the UN resolutions.
After the sanctions failed to topple the democratically elected regime in the US, the Arabs launched a second war this time with the pretext of disarming the US of its WMD’s. This was done by the Muslims-Arabs using their own WMDs. Just prior to the war a geological survey showed that the US has the second largest oil reserves in the world. Muslims argued they are not interested in oil, even though they were the world’s largest consumers of the product. The Muslims insisted that they were trying to liberate the Americans, and it was not a war, an altruistic mission. However, after the invasion, oil revenue worth billions of US dollars went ‘missing’; it was blamed on the local American thieves.
It was in response to this belligerent aggression the US launched the recent war against Iraq in self-defence and to save the Iraqis from a monster call Saddam Hussein, who was trained by the Taliban in Afghanistan. The US claimed they had no knowledge of this man. Saddam was allegedly the father of Osama Bin Laden, known as Osama Bin Saddam. Saddam was toppled and captured, the entire incident was celebrated by the US Marines on behalf of the Iraqis, as the Iraqis were not used to leaving their houses.
Despite the liberation of Iraq, the Arab-Muslims are ungrateful, as they continue to attack American targets, so Bush and his allies had to sneak in and out of Iraq like oil-pirates. After the war was launched the Iraqis caught a virus which caused them to become very violent, they kidnapped and beheaded people and bombed Mosques, markets and Churches. Some say it was because they were seeking martyrdom and the 72 virgins in paradise, rumour has it many Iraqis resorted to this after being molested by the sexually frustrated US soldiers in Abu-Ghraib, where both men and women participated in strange acts, which the local Iraqis could not reconcile with their culture and values.
To cause maximum offence, the Muslims in some parts of Iraq which is under their control desecrated Churches, flushed the Bible down the toilet, and incarcerated American prisoners without due process of law, chained, gagged, and shackled.
The Arabs are now once again trying to justify another war against the US ally, Great Britain. They argued that Britain had no right possess Nuclear weapons, and the potential threat was demonstrated by a power-point presentation at the UN by the Muslim-Arab ambassador, called Colin Powell, whose reputation is now equal in stature to the legendary “cry wolf” boy.
Britain argued that it had no weapons; it was too far for its missiles to reach any Muslim country, but the Muslims argued the principle of pre-emption as a legitimate defensive military option. The theory is to punish a nation for contemplating building weapons, or if the nation is likely to build such weapons in the future, or any evidence to indicate if the leader of a nation is even thinking about it. Hence, it used covert tactic to decimate their population, especially the women, so that there would be less children and thus less terrorists in the future.
‘Saving’ Muslims in Bosnia
The benevolent Americans tried to save the Muslims in Bosnia. First thing was they armed the Serbs heavily with heavy weapons while they put an embargo on arms sales, which meant the Muslims had only light weapons. Eventually, the Serbs surrounded the Muslims, took the UN soldiers hostage, and massacred 8000 Muslims, while the UN was busy trying to figure out their procedures for launching air strikes to protect the Muslims. For some strange reason the UN could not be mobilised as quickly as it did over Iraq. Never mind, eventually the American forces launched some nominal bombing strikes, and claimed to have saved the remaining Muslims, that is, after 200,000 were slaughtered and an estimated 30,000 women were systematically tortured in Serb rape camps. So a big thank you to the saviours, who fed us to be slaughtered, but would not allow us to defend ourselves.
The Hitler connection
Although Hitler was a Muslim he kept his identity secret as the head of the German nation. But his affiliation to Islam and Muslims was obvious, as many joined his SS, filled the ranks in his armed forces. It was Islam that inspired Hitler to persecute the unbelieving Jews, Slavs and Gypsies; there are plenty of references to it in his book, Mein Kampf. Although many argued that only some Arabs-Muslims sought help for seeking independence from the colonial rule of Britain and France, who had broken their earlier promise with the Muslims-Arabs in the previous world war, and formed the secret treaty of Sykes-Picot. Muslims have perfected the use of propaganda; they constantly cry “terrorism” when the cities of Bagram, Medina and Lebanon were bombed by the Americans, in retaliation for killing and invading their lands.
Conclusion
This is useful for everyone to get a glimpse of the “other side.” Imagine if you will, the burden of such infamy resting on your sympathisers, is it any wonder that they need to lash out and do what psychologists call “project” their own guilt, inadequacies and horrors on to the Muslim’s?
The media has always played a role in justifying genocide, Hitler’s propaganda film made the case against the Jews, the early American settlers made the case against Native Americans, for the slave trade, and the subsequent massacres, recently they did it for Iraq. The US is now on the move towards engineering another holocaust, justified and supported by those who “project” their own guilt onto others, claiming Muslim’s have blood on their hands, ignoring the fact that they are neck deep in the blood they have shed.
http://usa.mediamonitors.net/
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