Are We Punishing Hard Work?

[castille]

It seems today, America and Europe are becoming more of a lazy society. We have "get rich quick" programs, "lose fat" programs (ever heard of exercise?), pills that make your body parts bigger, and even welfare to encourage people not to work (why is it that welfare collectors get more money than salaried workers?).


The land of America was famous for one thing: determination. It was built on determination. In the 1700s, when you went to America, you didn't get welfare. You carved out a plot of land in harsh terrain, fought against the elements, and defended your claim. Eventually, after decades of backbreaking work, you could earn a good living.

Today Americans are not even looking for land. They're looking for quick solutions to long-term problems. We want things to go faster. Unions today don't defend worker rights; they either demand air conditioning to go with the factories, or ask for machines to be painted in pastel colours to "make everyone happy".

Worst of all, they're looking for people to blame. If something goes wrong, its the governments fault. Its your parents fault you turned out to be a loser. Its your genes that you are fat and lazy. Its the cats fault you can't get laid. I expect a protest anytime soon blaming cats for global poverty.


During colonial times, 50% of settlers are recorded to have lost their lives during the voyage to America, or during settlement. Today, 50% of Americans lose their lives because they sit around too much and develop some form of disease from getting too fat.

Credit card debt is at an all-time high. Why do Americans need a credit card? Unless you're conducting international business, I believe 99% of establishments accept cash or cheque. This itself points to the fact people want more but do not want to pay for it.

How many obese people do you see today? Oh, they have their excuses. "Its my genes that make me fat and lazy. Blame the government. Blame Bush and the war." The problem is, why is obesity almost non-existent outside of Europe and America? So 5% of obese people have "genetic problems", what about the other 95%?


A socialist society is not a solution. If people are lazy today, imagine how lazy they will be when socialism offers them good living, whether they work or not! Especially in America, where slacking off at work, school, and even family life is on an all-time high.

Perhaps we need a nuclear war and complete anarchy to get rid of the lazy, and let the hardworking prosper? After all, Americans once built empires from nothing. Erase the land, and start again....

[Impenitent]

nice post!

revolution comes in a harder form than the commies would like...

[eburchelli]

I don't know about you but to me, the US is already socialist. Not in the same way as a Canada or a France but the federal government has situated itself, as the rightful doer of our deeds.

Real socialism depends upon a work ethic. Those who don't work will be even lower on the totem pole of life. The problem with socialism is that most of us who do work, will all be equal, no matter what level of work we do.

I'm against equality except for our human rights. Even in civil rights, we cannot all be the same. Laws that try making us the same, take away any individuality that we might possess.

By the way, America (as in the United States) has never had an Empire except itself. I think you have it confused with those European nations, who colonialized around the globe.

[Garath331]

I would like to point out that there is usually someone working behind the means to allow others to be lazy, so there is some work going on.

[Suburbanite]

It is nice to know the protestant work ethic has really twisted you around so much.

[Venmax]

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It is nice to know the protestant work ethic has really twisted you around so much.
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Look Mack. I don&#39;t mind the sarcasm as long as it comes with some reasoning with it. Take 4 minutes out of your busy day and look up the word "ELABORATE" in the dictionary. Ponder it&#39;s meaning, and then return to post a suitable reply.

[Suburbanite]

Mack? I like that.
My point is simply this work hard and everything will come to you mindset is a massive fallacy corporations want you to believe in. As if the entire reasoning behind things is laziness. That’s simply being naive. People who work hard often get the short end of the stick and I am personally tired of hearing people displace them.
And the obesity is simply because people CAN eat that much; it is an inevitable I think, though not healthy. I live in Southern California so I don’t see as many fat people as the rest of America.

[white rice]

</span><blockquote><span class="smallfont">Quote:</span><hr size="1" />Originally Posted by (castille,)
It seems today, America and Europe are becoming more of a lazy society. We have "get rich quick" programs, "lose fat" programs (ever heard of exercise?), pills that make your body parts bigger, and even welfare to encourage people not to work (why is it that welfare collectors get more money than salaried workers?).
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I love it when non-Americans made bold fatheaded claims....

The average middle class American works beyond the typical eight hour day to get overtime, and most American households are two income families. In order to properly "lose fat", you need to have a healthy diet and enough time to excersise. But time is something many Americans don&#39;t have. It&#39;s not surprising then that fast food and dining restaurants are an exploding industry. More Americans are dining out than cooking at home.

More Americans are compulsively buying products they might not need, hence the overtime and two income families. So while Americans are working hard, their pay isn&#39;t high enough to warrant the lifestyle they&#39;re accustomed to.

Another stereotype shattered. Want to spew more that you see on television?

[darwinist]

</span><blockquote><span class="smallfont">Quote:</span><hr size="1" />Originally Posted by
Today Americans are not even looking for land. They&#39;re looking for quick solutions to long-term problems. We want things to go faster. Unions today don&#39;t defend worker rights; they either demand air conditioning to go with the factories, or ask for machines to be painted in pastel colours to "make everyone happy".<hr size="1" /></blockquote><span class='postcolor'>

Unions today, are not the power houses there once where. The more the &#39;global&#39; economy grows. The more international business will move &#39;production&#39; jobs aboard. Which leads to IMO silly situtation. Like some customer service call centres for british banks being in India. So the more unions demand better conditions, the more likely the company is going to move that factory to a place. Where they don&#39;t have to meet those conditions.

</span><blockquote><span class="smallfont">Quote:</span><hr size="1" />Originally Posted by
A socialist society is not a solution. If people are lazy today, imagine how lazy they will be when socialism offers them good living, whether they work or not&#33; Especially in America, where slacking off at work, school, and even family life is on an all-time high.<hr size="1" /></blockquote><span class='postcolor'>

A socialist society is not one that gives free hand outs to lazy people. That is just your preception of the &#39;social&#39; system. A socialist society is based upon helping those in society, that can not help themselves. But because these &#39;ideas&#39; we impleted by non socialist parties. There ideas have been twisted, though comprimise and policy. Making a weird hybid that doesn&#39;t really help anyone. Except those who understand and can &#39;use&#39; the system.

[Venmax]

</span><blockquote><span class="smallfont">Quote:</span><hr size="1" />Originally Posted by
My point is simply this work hard and everything will come to you mindset is a massive fallacy corporations want you to believe in. As if the entire reasoning behind things is laziness. That’s simply being naive. People who work hard often get the short end of the stick and I am personally tired of hearing people displace them.
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Ok junior. Let&#39;s drop your ass on a Deserted Tropical Island with nothing but a machete and some matches. Then lets revisit you in about a year to see how you&#39;re doing. I guaran-freeking-tee you that unless you do some "Hard Work" in that year you&#39;re there we&#39;re going to be visiting a corpse. Hard work is not some "Massive Fallacy" that George Bush invented - it&#39;s part of the human condition. We didn&#39;t get to the moon by sucking on freeze pops and watching re-runs of Giligans Island. I love the way you "Enlightened" liberals totally write off the notion of a Strong Work Ethic based soley on the fact that inequity exists in the world. Of course it does - we&#39;re human - we&#39;re individuals - we&#39;re not a bunch of freeking robots that come off an assembly line.

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Unions today, are not the power houses there once where. The more the &#39;global&#39; economy grows. The more international business will move &#39;production&#39; jobs aboard. <hr size="1" /></blockquote><span class='postcolor'>

This is true - and yes I agree that the hard work those people do NEEDS to be rewarded. They need strong Unions just like we have here in Anglo-World. Are YOU gonna go over to India? Or China? Or South America in order to help them start up Unions?

LoL&#33;&#33; I thought not&#33;&#33; I love the way you guys say America throws it&#39;s weight around and intrudes on peoples "Cultures" and then turn around and bitch about how they aren&#39;t enough like us. Make up your freeking mind&#33;&#33; If you aren&#39;t going to get on a plane and go help the workers of the world organize in their home countries (and risk a bullet in the head by the dictators and thugs that run those places) then shut the fuck up and quit blaming us for it&#33;&#33;

[Impenitent]

</span><blockquote><span class="smallfont">Quote:</span><hr size="1" />Originally Posted by (darwinist,)
A socialist society is not one that gives free hand outs to lazy people. That is just your preception of the &#39;social&#39; system. A socialist society is based upon helping those in society, that can not help themselves. But because these &#39;ideas&#39; we impleted by non socialist parties. There ideas have been twisted, though comprimise and policy. Making a weird hybid that doesn&#39;t really help anyone. Except those who understand and can &#39;use&#39; the system.<hr size="1" /></blockquote><span class='postcolor'>

look at the great socialist countries of europe... what are the unemployment rates?

http://www.tallahassee.com/mld/tallahassee...ess/7774022.htm

"A socialist society is based upon helping those in society, that can not help themselves."

no, that&#39;s a CHURCH... repulsively christian at that...

[Venmax]

It simply boils down to how differentiate between someone who actually can&#39;t help themself and someone who is just plain lazy and will do nothing but exploit the system. Europeans have trouble telling the difference I think&#33;&#33;