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    Quote Quote by: barts View Post
    The crucifixion of Jesus of Christ was hardly a human sacrifice. If I recall, Jesus was convicted of crimes and executed according to the law at that time. Something Americans do quite frequently. Moreover, a few days later Jesus was resurrected. Try that in Texas. At any rate, the fact is Jesus did not, in fact, die, for our sins or for any other reason. He didn't die at all.
    Yep, I'm still trying to figure out how ridding yourself of a mortal body to become a full god is any sacrifice at all. Christians just don't want to consider stuff like that because it might put their faith in jeopardy.

    Religion is poison because it asks us to give up our most precious faculty, which is that of reason, and to believe things without evidence. It then asks us to respect this, which it calls faith. - Christopher Hitchens

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    Charles Joughin, one of the last men to be pulled out of the water after the Titanic sank, did it by being an inveterate sinner who did not give a single fuck about anything. When he realized the lifeboats were full and there was no escape he avoided panicking and falling in prematurely and instead did the sensible thing: he sat down with the ship's unguarded supply of hard liquor and began drinking heavily.

    After drunkenly tossing some furniture over the side for those who had fallen to cling to, he calmly stood in place upon the deck and waited for the ship to finish sinking. The truly enormous quantity of alcohol in his system kept his core body temperature elevated and provided him with the fuel necessary to survive three hours in the north Atlantic, making him one of only a handful of people to do so - and most of the rest had their own vices, such as morbid obesity that acted as insulation. Joughin died of natural causes many years later, and was widely known as both a hero and an inveterate alcoholic.

    Moral of the story: God saves, but Satan makes you a floater instead of a sinker.

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    Quote Quote by: Corwin111 View Post
    I choose hell of my own accord. I may be getting my ass flambeed for eternity but at least I will have the good part of humanity around to keep me company.
    More than a "good part of humanity", more likely most of humanity because most people aren't Christians. Moreover, there is some dispute among Christians about who gets everlasting life. Apparently some Christians aren't real Christians in the eyes of Jesus and God.

    At any rate, I'll join you in Hell. I'm not sure I could put up with living for eternity with deities like God and Jesus who so cruelly condemn innocent people for no other reason than they fail to believe in them and worship them. Living forever with the likes of God and Jesus would be a greater Hell, in my view, than having the integrity and honor to choose everlasting damnation.

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    Quote Quote by: barts View Post
    More than a "good part of humanity", more likely most of humanity because most people aren't Christians. Moreover, there is some dispute among Christians about who gets everlasting life. Apparently some Christians aren't real Christians in the eyes of Jesus and God.
    I meant "good" in terms of quality rather than quantity. But yeah, sure... most of humanity is bound to be headed there. I do not envy Satan's gas bills!


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    I dont believe you are real and it seems that I am the only one to see through you. Can We have a pic? See Mine? " smiling"

    Peace be with you,

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    Quote Quote by: Affluence View Post

    Sincerely,

    Affluence (God fearing christian).
    You realize that simultaneously fearing and loving someone is the essence of sadomasochism?

    Religion is poison because it asks us to give up our most precious faculty, which is that of reason, and to believe things without evidence. It then asks us to respect this, which it calls faith. - Christopher Hitchens

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    Quote Quote by: Peter View Post
    You realize that simultaneously fearing and loving someone is the essence of sadomasochism?
    We use the terminology but we really dont Fear God. The Bible says fear " Nothing " but the Lord your God. See, its teaching us to be confident, The word fear actually doestn translate here. It means to bow your head in homage and respect and notice God (setting aside your pride.)

    Also Peter you can think of it as a child fearing a spanking. If your child fearing the spanking keeps him from running in the street then let him fear the spanking for the alternative could be much worse. True?

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    Quote Quote by: Affluence View Post
    We use the terminology but we really dont Fear God. The Bible says fear " Nothing " but the Lord your God. See, its teaching us to be confident, The word fear actually doestn translate here. It means to bow your head in homage and respect and notice God (setting aside your pride.)
    So fear means respect in the bible? Why did the most intelligent being in the universe write a book for the common man that needs so much interpretation by experts?

    Also Peter you can think of it as a child fearing a spanking. If your child fearing the spanking keeps him from running in the street then let him fear the spanking for the alternative could be much worse. True?
    Check, the end justifies the means. Got it.

    Sincerely,

    Affluence (I believe in God)
    Sincerely,
    Peter (I believe in Leprechauns... go ahead, prove they don't exist!)

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    If your child fearing the spanking keeps him from running in the street then let him fear the spanking for the alternative could be much worse.
    Don't you think there are less violent, equally effective ways to teach a child not to run into the street? Doesn't it seem that a god could find a more productive way to encourage humans to be good than the methods employed by the god of Abraham in the Bible?



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    Quote Quote by: Jack View Post
    Don't you think there are less violent, equally effective ways to teach a child not to run into the street? Doesn't it seem that a god could find a more productive way to encourage humans to be good than the methods employed by the god of Abraham in the Bible?
    I've never understood why people expect God to care about the well-being of our children. There's no evidence to support it and it would be like a human going out of his or her way to save ant larvae.

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    Quote Quote by: Thanatos View Post
    I've never understood why people expect God to care about the well-being of our children. There's no evidence to support it and it would be like a human going out of his or her way to save ant larvae.
    Unless I created the ant larvae to love and for them to love me back of course.

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    Quote Quote by: barts View Post
    Just sayin' but what you've told is a story that you (or someone) created to "prove" a point.
    I didn't create the story to prove anything; I was simply trying to help people to understand it. Jesus told parables to illustrate spiritual truths and I was trying to follow his example.

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