Colorado theatre violence...

[iolo]

I enjoy electricity. Occasionally electricity has been used by crazy people to create evil and suffering so I should find something other than electricity to enjoy?

I enjoy children. Are you saying that because enjoyment of children occasionally results in molestation by some people that I should shun children?

I understand that the benefits from electricity far outweigh those of recreational shooting but how could you weigh the pleasure I get from recreational shooting? It's possible that I get more pleasure from shooting guns than from electricity is it not?

I'm sitting here trying to think of something that can't "create evil and suffering" but is sufficiently similar to recreational shooting that it might take it's place. Throwing knives. No, they can create evil and suffering. Darts! Maybe, but they're hardly comparable to shooting although there is the added benefit of drinking while shooting darts which is something I never do when shooting guns. I'll consider it.

Guns kill. That is what they are for. You a Jesuit or something?

[Peter]

Why does this feeling mean that you have to own a gun though? You can simply go to a gun range.

Good point. I suppose I own a gun to save on rental fees and to have a gun that I'm familiar with every time I go shooting at the range.

[Peter]

Guns kill. That is what they are for. You a Jesuit or something?

Technically guns simply fire a projectile at high velocity. We could ban guns because occasionally crazy people aim the projectile at other people but where on this slippery slope should we stop? How many thousands of other things are occasionally used to kill other people? Should we ban any body of water deeper than a quarter inch because occasionally deep water is used to drown someone? It's quite irritating to have everyones freedoms limited because of a relatively few idiots don't you think? Are you generally an advocate of idiot proofing the world?

[iolo]

Technically guns simply fire a projectile at high velocity. We could ban guns because occasionally crazy people aim the projectile at other people but where on this slippery slope should we stop? How many thousands of other things are occasionally used to kill other people? Should we ban any body of water deeper than a quarter inch because occasionally deep water is used to drown someone? It's quite irritating to have everyones freedoms limited because of a relatively few idiots don't you think? Are you generally an advocate of idiot proofing the world?

NO - I just think only nutters allow guns. They are no use for anything good.

[Dodds]

Good point. I suppose I own a gun to save on rental fees and to have a gun that I'm familiar with every time I go shooting at the range.

As someone who likes sport, I can agree with this. You do need your own equipment in order to participate competitively. A compromise could be you keep the gun but the ammo is stored at the gun range.

However does that mean that people should be able to carry concealed weapons with magazines that carry 45 rounds?

Common sense should come into play here. It does amaze me that it really doesn't.

[minorwork]

NO - I just think only nutters allow guns. They are no use for anything good.

Killing bad people isn't good?

[Peter]

As someone who likes sport, I can agree with this. You do need your own equipment in order to participate competitively. A compromise could be you keep the gun but the ammo is stored at the gun range.

However does that mean that people should be able to carry concealed weapons with magazines that carry 45 rounds?

Common sense should come into play here. It does amaze me that it really doesn't.

A concealed weapon that holds 45 rounds? What would that be?

I assume we don't have a problem with people carrying pocket knives around but we'll all probably agree that carrying grenades around is over the line. Somewhere between the two is where the line is drawn. I, personally, don't really agree with concealed weapons. It's just asking for trouble to be carrying a weapon around in public.

[Peter]

NO - I just think only nutters allow guns. They are no use for anything good.

You seem rather closed minded on this topic. I hesitate to ask, but why? I trust you'll tell me to take a hike if it's too personal.

[Dodds]

A concealed weapon that holds 45 rounds? What would that be?

I don't know much about guns but was kind of exaggerating to emphasize the point.

I assume we don't have a problem with people carrying pocket knives around but we'll all probably agree that carrying grenades around is over the line.

That really depends on the knife to be fair. I had to carry around knifes when I was in construction, if you have a good enough reason to have said knife then cool, but anyone who carries around a knife and conceals it for no good reason is up to no good in my view.

Somewhere between the two is where the line is drawn. I, personally, don't really agree with concealed weapons. It's just asking for trouble to be carrying a weapon around in public.

I agree. This is the common sense I was talking about, you enjoy shooting as a sport, I have no problem with that. I have no problem with people owning knifes, I have no problem with people owning weapons, I just think the sport of shooting should be highly regulated and ammo should not be available to the general public without extensive background checks and a good reason to own the weapons.

[iolo]

You seem rather closed minded on this topic. I hesitate to ask, but why? I trust you'll tell me to take a hike if it's too personal.

I'm not an American, so I cannot see killing animals as 'sport' or arming nutters as some sort of guarantee of freedom. In terms of my own culture I am just normal, as far as I know. Most people don't believe they live on the wild frontIer is all.

[iolo]

Killing bad people isn't good?

No, obviously - utterly evil. And who elects 'bad people'? The teabag mob, obeying their masters?

[minorwork]

No, obviously - utterly evil. And who elects 'bad people'? The teabag mob, obeying their masters?

What do you suggest doing to a person about to kill you if you can't be allowed to kill him first? Gonna bleed all over him? I sure don't understand your use of "obviously." How else do you eradicate evil but by eliminating its manifestations?