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[Darklordabc]

With all this evidence in front of me, I do not see Islam as a contributing factor towards child marriage, nor the age of consent laws and not the levels of misogyny in a certain country. All religious belief does contribute, but not to the extent that poverty does.

Contradictory statement. In one breath you say Islam has no contribution, then in the second you claim that it does.

All religious belief does contribute, but not to the extent that poverty does.

Good luck proving that. All your evidence supports, at most, the notion that Islam and Christianity produces misogyny, and Islam does little more. There is no evidence that ALL religions have the same propendency to create gender inequality e.g. Buddhist countries don't have the same affect on misogyny.

All religious belief does contribute, but not to the extent that poverty does.

You still have to explain why it is the Muslim countries specifically that score the lowest in gender equality. Yes, because is a factor for them, maybe the most important factor, but why is it Muslim poor countries pretty much exclusively make up the list of most misogynistic, and say not poor Buddhist or poor Christiana countries.

[Dodds]

Contradictory statement. In one breath you say Islam has no contribution, then in the second you claim that it does.

Not really. I argue your claim that specifically Islam has an effect. It doesn't.

Good luck proving that. All your evidence supports, at most, the notion that Islam and Christianity produces misogyny, and Islam does little more. There is no evidence that ALL religions have the same propendency to create gender inequality e.g. Buddhist countries don't have the same affect on misogyny.

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That took a whole 2 minutes.

[Darklordabc]

Not really. I argue your claim that specifically Islam has an effect. It doesn't.

Think about what your saying, your saying that Religion (Islam, Christianity and Judaism) has en effect. That means Islam necessarily affects the misogyny level.
What you meant to be saying is "Islam does affect misogyny levels, but it does at the exact same rate as Judiasm, Christiainty, Scientology, Buddhism", which even your own sources does not confirm this statement. Islam is clearly having a higher rate then Christianity or Buddhism or Judaism.

That took a whole 2 minutes.

Read carefully what I said, and then see why that piece of evidence does not disprove it.

[Dodds]

Think about what your saying, your saying that Religion (Islam, Christianity and Judaism) has en effect. That means Islam necessarily affects the misogyny level.
What you meant to be saying is "Islam does affect misogyny levels, but it does at the exact same rate as Judiasm, Christiainty, Scientology, Buddhism", which even your own sources does not confirm this statement. Islam is clearly having a higher rate then Christianity or Buddhism or Judaism.

I grow tired of arguing in circles with you, your claim is Islam is the cause of misogyny, child marriage and pedophilia. It isn't.

Read carefully what I said, and then see why that piece of evidence does not disprove it.

Here is what I think your argument is.

There are problems in Islamic countries, the problem must be Islam, when pointed out that these problems exist in other non Islamic countries the problem must be something else but it is Islam in the Islamic countries. I shall ignore all data put in front of me and attempt mental gymnastics in order to prove my point that Islam causes these problems in Islamic countries but other factors come into play in other countries.

Can you see how stupid this argument is? Islam specifically does not cause these problems, poverty does. That is my argument, I have proved it. You are grasping at straws.

[Dodds]

double post please delete.

[Darklordabc]

If poverty was the sole cause, then we would expect the poorest countries to be the most misogynistic, since that is not the case, there must be other factors involved, and seeing how Islamic countries, not Christian ones dominate the top ten of worst gender equality countries, it is unreasonable to claim that Judaism and Christianity is causing misyogny at the same rate.

Hint: I'm not saying that Islam is the only cause of misogyny, I'm not saying poverty does not play an important role, I'm not saying that you cant find examples of non-muslim countries that have misogny.

[Dodds]

Your first argument is illogical.

What we do see with countries with large amounts of gender inequality is poverty at a large scale. A large rural population and a lack of access to education.


Islam has nothing to do with any of these factors. The fact that other countries (and the top 20 is not dominated by Islamic countries) kinda fucks your point. If the top 20 are dominated by mostly Islamic, Christian and Hindu countries what does that say to your point?

Hint:You are looking for evidence to back up a claim that doesn't exist.

[Dodds]

but we don't, we see that the most Islamic countries are the most misogynistic.

Forgot to say, this is actually wrong. The most Islamic by population hardly appear on the list. Turkey is 99% Islamic. It is nowhere to be seen.

Your premise is false, your argument is false.

[Darklordabc]

Islam has nothing to do with any of these factors. The fact that other countries (and the top 20 is not dominated by Islamic countries) kinda fucks your point. If the top 20 are dominated by mostly Islamic, Christian and Hindu countries what does that say to your point?

If your going of the 2012 data, thats incomplete and misses many countries. The 2009 is the only fair way to do it, because its complete.
And Muslim countries do indeed dominate the worst 20 countries.
Not only do they occupy the worst 6 positions, but there is also twice as many Islamic countries as Christian ones. 12 of the 20 worst countries of gender equality, are Muslim majorities
(The ones in bolder are the top ten worst countries)
Egypt, Arab Rep.
Nigeria
Guinea
Bangladesh
Iraq
Pakistan
Chad
Yemen
Mali
Sierra Leone
Afghanistan
Sudan

with only 5 of those countries being Christian majorities.
Congo, Dem. Rep.
Cameroon
Gabon
Zambia
Ethiopia

[Dodds]

In other words go with the data that suits your argument.

However if Nigeria with around 50% of the population is higher than any other Muslim dominated country with a higher population of Muslims then again your point falls apart.

I was only using your logic just to show how flawed it is.

[Darklordabc]

In other words go with the data that suits your argument.

Pretty cheap call. I went with the most recent, complete data set.

However if Nigeria with around 50% of the population is higher than any other Muslim dominated country with a higher population of Muslims then again your point falls apart.

I don't know what you mean by this. Ethiopia is the 11th worst country.

[grandpa]

In other words go with the data that suits your
argument.
However if Nigeria with around 50% of the population is
higher than any other Muslim dominated country with a higher
population of Muslims then again your point falls apart.

Statistics have some pretty major limits to them.
The assumption is that X follows only one Y. But these aren't math problems we're talking about.

My simple point would be this:
If we want no problem with the Muslim population, we -- meaning America -- should stop supporting extremist Muslim states and extremist Muslim terrorist organizations. America's government has handed, and likely will continue to hand, such people substantial support of one form or another.

Beyond that we can oppose any possible imposition of Islamic law domestically. There's no major threat of that happening, but the general principle can still be applied. I would have no problem with pissing off Muslim theocrats. They worship Muhammed, say we can't make statues of Him and draw cartoons of him, but I say we can. If it offends anyone, well, they can just stay in their mosques and like it.

Grandpa h.