Supreme Court upholds centerpiece of Obama healthcare law

[Angry Citizen]

The law is incredibly inefficient. I wouldn't complain if America had an actual UHC plan. However, Obama's health care plan is retarded. It does not fix ANY of the problems with the American system and simply exacerbates the problems.

How, said the Injun to the white man?

[Zeebadee]

Oh, please. This is not a tax on the American people as a whole. [/b]

Sure, it's a penalty imposed by the federal government on individual Americans that defy government orders. Under this rationale, the federal government can demand compliance with any order it issues, extorting a penalty for non-compliance.

[Trojan_Ripper]

So I was off by four and eight thousand ... higher. Sue me.

LOL. Why would I want to sue you AC?

So you are saying that a single person making $40,000 or a husband and wife making $80,000 that their TAXES will not go up if they are not insured? Is that what you are saying?

[Angry Citizen]

Sure, it's a penalty imposed by the federal government on individual Americans that defy government orders. Under this rationale, the federal government can demand compliance with any order it issues, extorting a penalty for non-compliance.

They do it all the time. Ever heard of a cigarette tax? "Don't smoke", sayeth the government. Smoke and you get taxed out your ass.

[lsbskins1]

Oh, please. This is not a tax on the American people as a whole. The health care "tax" targets the behavior of a certain group of people and raises no money--$0. The only way someone pays the health care "tax" or fine is if a) they have no health insurance AND b) refuse to buy it despite receiving subsidies to allow them to buy it. How many Americans meet that criteria? Those who opt out of the insurance pool, and thus raise the cost of insurance for those of us in it, should pay more for their decision. When they get into a catastrophic accident they get treatment at a hospital paid for by guess who---you and me and everyone else who pays insurance. We pay a hidden "tax" already. Why not bring the costs out into the open and apportion them fairly?

The same constitutional tax argument protects the 2009 cigarette tax that attempts to change the behavior of a small minority of smokers, and lessen overall health expenses for them; NOT tax the entire American people. Most Americans have no problem making smokers pay more for their contribution to a multi-billion dollar medical disaster. Smoking is a BURDEN on society, not a benefit. Not having auto insurance is a BURDEN on society, not a benefit. Likewise, not having health insurance is a BURDEN on society, not a benefit.

But don't take my commie lib socialist muslin word for it, Trojan Ripper. Don't take the word of the now "activist" conservative Bush Supreme Court either. Listen to the author of a similar message in 2009:

“Using tax penalties, as we did … encourages ‘free riders’ to take responsibility for themselves rather than pass their medical costs on to others.”

The author of those words was none other than former governor Mitt Romney in an op-ed piece defending Romneycare.

http://www.usatoday.com/printedition...n30_st.art.htm

Please, "free rider" is such a negative term! I'm sure Rubber Shredder...excuse me... Trojan Ripper prefers to think of them as those pursuring their own rational self interest. Why should they pay for a service, either out of pocket in conventional terms, or through tax contributions, when the "sheeple" can stupidly do it for them? I mean, it is better for them if they get the services and never pay for it themselves, in any fashion, right?

[Angry Citizen]

LOL. Why would I want to sue you AC?

So you are saying that a single person making $40,000 or a husband and wife making $80,000 that their TAXES will not go up if they are not insured? Is that what you are saying?

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Dude. TR.

In other words, if I, as a future engineer on a starting salary, marry a teacher and spawn two munchkins, I will barely not qualify for subsidies. Anyone worse off than me will qualify for subsidies.

[Zeebadee]

They do it all the time. Ever heard of a cigarette tax? "Don't smoke", sayeth the government. Smoke and you get taxed out your ass.

One could quit smoking and avoid the tax, not an option with obamacare.

[Trojan_Ripper]

Oh, please. This is not a tax on the American people as a whole.

What does "as a whole mean"?
I also couldn't give a fuck what Romney did as a Govenor any more then our 1 year senator wannebe president.

[The Decider]

One could quit smoking and avoid the tax, not an option with obamacare.

Quit smoking and avoid the tax. Get health insurance and avoid the tax. Less smokers and more insured Americans are the desired goals.

[lsbskins1]

LOL. Why would I want to sue you AC?

So you are saying that a single person making $40,000 or a husband and wife making $80,000 that their TAXES will not go up if they are not insured? Is that what you are saying?

I am a single individual who never made 40,000.00 a year and unless I was unemployed (rare) or working for a company that did not offer a health plan, I always carried insurance. Why would you not? If you volunteer for the "tax" because you would rather have a "more expensive car" than pay for insurance, you are being irresponsible and I thought it was a mantra among both the conventional conservatives and the libertarians that they insist on being responsible. How would you ever be "burdened" by this tax if you were exercising personal responsibility?

[Trojan_Ripper]

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Dude. TR.

It was a yes or no answer. Are you saying with your quote that their taxes will not go up?

[Trojan_Ripper]

I am a single individual who never made 40,000.00 a year and unless I was unemployed (rare) or working for a company that did not offer a health plan, I always carried insurance. Why would you not? If you volunteer for the "tax" because you would rather have a "more expensive car" than pay for insurance, you are being irresponsible and I thought it was a mantra among both the conventional conservatives and the libertarians that they insist on being responsible. How would you ever be "burdened" by this tax if you were exercising personal responsibility?

So Obama lied, that was simple and not a suprise. Now you are volunteering for it....LOL