I can't trust "fundies", can you?

[Zeebadee]

Believe it or not, I do. It certainly isn't the understanding of scripture I have. In fact I'd venture to say the actions of Christ as recorded by the Gospel authors as well as what other new testament authors had to say don't support it.

I agree with that, as well as questioning the doctrine of celibacy for priests and the church's opposition to birth control. I haven't seen much in the Bible to support either.

[Dave In Canada]

Well that explains about 940 or so posts.

Finder, do you see the irony in the quote at the bottom of your posts and the knowledge you profess to have about your God?

Secondly, I have asked this question of you twice and both times you have ignored it.

If you were born in Afghanistan do you believe that you would have the same relationship and beliefs in God that you have today?

[truthreality]

I agree with that, as well as questioning the doctrine of celibacy for priests and the church's opposition to birth control. I haven't seen much in the Bible to support either.

Yes you have made it clear you are in support of Christianity. I am doubtful if you have seen a Bible at all ever.

[finder]

I agree with that, as well as questioning the doctrine of celibacy for priests and the church's opposition to birth control. I haven't seen much in the Bible to support either.

I agree with you on the celibacy issue. On birth control it would depend what is used I guess. Abortion as a form of birth control would not be acceptable in my book but the pill or rubbers are just a matter of personal choice.

[finder]

Finder, do you see the irony in the quote at the bottom of your posts and the knowledge you profess to have about your God?

Secondly, I have asked this question of you twice and both times you have ignored it.

If you were born in Afghanistan do you believe that you would have the same relationship and beliefs in God that you have today?

No, but I see the potential for perceived irony from your perspective of unbelief.

Probably. Although the journey most likely would have been different. See, I don't believe culture chooses God, he chooses us by judging our hearts on their tendency to accept him or not.

[truthreality]

No, but I see the potential for perceived irony from your perspective of unbelief.

Probably. Although the journey most likely would have been different. See, I don't believe culture chooses God, he chooses us by judging our hearts on their tendency to accept him or not.

No. Culture does choose God. If you were a Saudi Arabian Muslim you would be worshipping Allah.

[Zeebadee]

If you were born in Afghanistan do you believe that you would have the same relationship and beliefs in God that you have today?

I'd like to answer this. No, of course not. No one born in Afghanistan would ever have the same access to information about Christianity as one born in America. That's not saying that a religious believer in Afghanistan is necessarily wrong about what he does believe.

[Dave In Canada]

No, but I see the potential for perceived irony from your perspective of unbelief.

Probably. Although the journey most likely would have been different. See, I don't believe culture chooses God, he chooses us by judging our hearts on their tendency to accept him or not.

This is the kind of intellectual dishonesty that is never surprising to me when it comes to discussing someone's faith. Do you really dispute that the history of mankind clearly demonstatres that it is men who create gods? Is it not almost entirely probable that the relationship that you profess to have with God would not be replaced by a relationship with Allah and follow the scripture of the Qu'ran?

[Dave In Canada]

I'd like to answer this. No, of course not. No one born in Afghanistan would ever have the same access to information about Christianity as one born in America. That's not saying that a religious believer in Afghanistan is necessarily wrong about what he does believe.

So what does it say about the God of Christianity who does not give the same amount of access equally to all of his supposed children?

Or is it simply that the relationships that we create within our mind about our Gods are a product of our culture?

Well if they are not wrong about their beliefs doesn't it place a question of whether the Christians have it right? Every religion can't have it right and the probability is that they all have it wrong.

[finder]

This is the kind of intellectual dishonesty that is never surprising to me when it comes to discussing someone's faith. Do you really dispute that the history of mankind clearly demonstatres that it is men who create gods? Is it not almost entirely probable that the relationship that you profess to have with God would not be replaced by a relationship with Allah and follow the scripture of the Qu'ran?

So because you don't understand my answer, my answer must be intellectually dishonest? God has pulled those of a humble heart out of other religions as well as suspect Christian denominations. Culture does affect people and causes many to stick to a religion but God acts independently of such human tendencies. He knows us and he chooses us. That is honesty as raw as it gets. I didn't choose him.

[Zeebadee]

So what does it say about the God of Christianity who does not give the same amount of access equally to all of his supposed children?

Perhaps He does.

Well if they are not wrong about their beliefs doesn't it place a question of whether the Christians have it right? Every religion can't have it right and the probability is that they all have it wrong.

I assume that you're an atheist? Why couldn't multiple religions all have it right? Are you now dictating to a being that you don't believe in what He can and can't do??

[arX]

Why couldn't multiple religions all have it right?

You're right, why couldn't Jesus be both the son of god and not the son of god?