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    Quote Quote by: Senor Hoint View Post
    Are you accusing, for instance, Warren Buffet of being a socialist? I don't think that's too credible. You remind me of the rich people who hated FDR, never realizing that he saved them from a revolution with the New Deal.

    You seem to propose that Obama has hit some political home-run with a "New Deal" of his own? All I've seen him do is handout life-support machines to people that need to be cured....so to speak.

    Obama impressed me with his poise in the Bin Laden matter, but that's about the only true credit I'm willing to give him at this time.

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    All studies concerning immigration, both legal and illegal, have shown a very strong and undeniable correlation between high immigration rates and economic growth. While it is true that strong economic growth also attracts immigrants, it is also true that immigrants contribute to economic growth.

    Immigrants are primarily of working age adults. We get the economic advantage of a contributing adult with out the economic burden of providing for their education, health, etc. America has a birth rate slightly below replacement. Our economy relies on constant population growth to sustain our boom/bust system.

    There is no reason to deport productive members of society. I would have no problem with penalizing illegal immigrants (for instance, a large fine, required community service, required military service, or an increased tax rate) for entering illegally. However, if they are shown to be contributing members of society, we would be stupid to deport them.


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    You seem to propose that Obama has hit some political home-run with a "New Deal" of his own? All I've seen him do is handout life-support machines to people that need to be cured....so to speak.
    No, I didn't say anything like that. But you did make the assertion that
    anyone that continues to support that fucking douchbag is just doing so because they want socialism to replace capitalism.
    Given that Warren Buffet and Bill Gates are both Obama supporters, you have asserted that both of them want socialism to replace capitalism. I understand that the presence of a black man in the white house causes you to froth at the mouth from time to time but please limit the obviously and demonstrably untrue assertions.

    But truth, Hajjaj was convinced, held many layers.

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    Quote Quote by: Senor Hoint View Post
    No, I didn't say anything like that.
    But you did make the assertion that ...
    In any case, we have to change the way things are done.

    Grandpa h.

    Post by post, building his arguments by smashing a couple of theirs -- for America.

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    Let's see. You were brought here illegally. Hence, no birth certificate, no record of entry, and no legal ID.

    So how does one ascertain the age of the individual, when he entered the country, how long he has been here, and trace his activities in the U.S?

    Enforceable? Looks like no.

    The tree of liberty is hungry. Let's feed it well in the next election.

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    Quote Quote by: Senor Hoint View Post
    I understand that the presence of a black man in the white house causes you to froth at the mouth from time to time but please limit the obviously and demonstrably untrue assertions.
    Are Obama's actions so indefensible that you have to resort to accusations of racial bias?

    Weak Kung Fu indeed

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    Are Obama's actions so indefensible that you have to resort to accusations of racial bias?
    What a comic misrepresentation of the situation. No, what's happening is that Obama is taking actions that I may not always agree with, but that certainly don't warrant the accusations of douchebaggery and treason that fly his way virtually all the time. He's a politician dealing with a large number of extremely complex and difficult situations, not Jesus Christ.

    It's obvious to those of us with our heads on straight that the people who, for example, accuse Obama of being a Kenyan and faking his birth documentation are either racist or just insane.

    But truth, Hajjaj was convinced, held many layers.

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    Quote Quote by: ruksak View Post
    Yea, he runs it like a government alright. He spends money like all that's needed it to print more.

    Obama is a fucking joke of a President and anyone that continues to support that fucking douchbag is just doing so because they want socialism to replace capitalism.



    Going back 300-400 years to prove a point? Sounds like an Obama supporter to me.



    Anecdotal and unsubstantiated stereotype of the busy, hard-driven immigrant worker. I've worked with quite a few lazy Mexicans, so I have difficulty swallowing your stereotype.



    wut?



    I wish I could say differently. He is the leader of my nation and I would prefer him to be competent. I couldn't care less if he called himself a democrat, a liberal or a ham sandwich, so long as my President gets this ship right. To my estimation, he has not.



    I didn't realize that GWB was running for re-election. Ohhhh....that's right, we aren't discussing him.
    You have absolutely zero evidence to support your home grown opinion and meaningless rhetoric so we can discard all of it as nonsensical nonsense.


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    Quote Quote by: Apeman81 View Post
    Are Obama's actions so indefensible that you have to resort to accusations of racial bias?

    Weak Kung Fu indeed
    Obama's actions are incredibly defensive.


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    Quote Quote by: Dieval View Post
    Illegal is illegal. Even though you may have been a fine upstanding citizen since then, you started off your stint here by willfully breaking our laws. The just confirms the fact that the left has no respect for our land, it's people, and our laws.
    Agree. This isn't a fine day for politics. It's just a sad day for the rule of law and disgraceful attempt to get votes.


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    You know, Paul, Reagan proved that deficits don't matter. We won the mid-term elections, this is our due. : Dick Cheney

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    Quote Quote by: Dieval View Post
    Illegal is illegal. Even though you may have been a fine upstanding citizen since then, you started off your stint here by willfully breaking our laws. The just confirms the fact that the left has no respect for our land, it's people, and our laws.
    I completley agree with Dieval on this. First you are not an upstanding citizen if you are an illegal federal trespasser, you are in fact a felon. Felons go to prison, serve time, pay for their court fees and jail time. They are expected not to break the laws again but in an Illegal aliens case, they are never not breaking the law. Good or bad is really not the point, it's that they are NOT citizens, they are NOT entitled to jobs or benefits and they do NOT have a right to stay. In addition to this there is a climbing unemployment rate for the legal citizens of this nation a great majority of which is caused by illegals stealing our jobs, and NAFTA which causes our jobs to be sent over seas to other countries' citizens leaving our own people in the dust. So why then would we allow illegal aliens to have work permits to stay here and consume more and more of OUR people's jobs? There is no reason any country would do that unless it was to use those people as cheap psuedo slave labor and to diminish wages and benefits that the LEGAL citizens expect and are entitled to , and to use the latino vote for the Democratic politicians.

    Saving the empovershed by empoverishing their counterparts will empoverish the whole.

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