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    Fullerton Police don’t write their own policies, they buy them

    "After finding discrepancies in the term 'Mentally Disabled' in Fullerton Police Manuals, and trying to reconcile this against the California Penal Code’s use of 'Mentally Disordered', we noticed that the bottom of all of the documents had a copyright. Specifically, 'Copyright 1995-2012 Lexipol, L.L.C.'

    Apparently, Lexipol, LLC is a company that sells police departments pre-made manuals, that they can edit and add to. And from what we can gather, Fullerton Police are using an almost standard version of it, probably very close to the version they purchased."
    http://mindfulliberation.wordpress.c...they-buy-them/

    The question is: Are they doing this our of sheer laziness or because they take certain marching orders from special interests? I assume it's a combination of both, actually.

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    Quote Quote by: grandpa View Post
    The question is: Are they doing this our of sheer laziness or because they take certain marching orders from special interests? I assume it's a combination of both, actually.

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    I would assume it would be a cost-effectiveness/logistics measure. As in, they don't have the resources to scribe their own manuals. It seems the manuals are written with very much standard terminology and procedures, expecting them to be proof-read and edited accordingly.

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    Police manuals have to be written with an absurd number of laws; federal, state, county, city, municipality and in some cases unincorporated areas within their jurisdiction, in mind. It can be a daunting task. If there's a company who is willing to research all the laws pertaining to police conduct and responsibilities and package it in such a way that each department can add their own additions and deletions as necessary the department would be nuts not to buy such a thing. Saves the department a lot of time and money.



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    Quote Quote by: ruksak View Post
    I would assume it would be a cost-effectiveness/logistics measure. As in, they don't have the resources to scribe their own manuals. It seems the manuals are written with very much standard terminology and procedures, expecting them to be proof-read and edited accordingly.
    I'd agree. I wouldn't think most cities have the time or the money to build legal procedures and test them against applicable case law. It's just easier to purchase those procedures from other cities who have already gone through the procedures, since most laws are very similar and can be changed with just a little tweaking. I'm not quite sure where this is a bad thing.

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    It's also a way to cover your ass. "No, wait, it's not our fault that [INSERT TRAGEDY] happened - we were just doing what some other guy's manual said!"

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    It's also a way to cover your ass. "No, wait, it's not our fault that [INSERT TRAGEDY] happened - we were just doing what some other guy's manual said!"
    "Who wrote this chapter on how to beat a nigger?"

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    Quote Quote by: ruksak View Post
    I would assume it would be a cost-effectiveness/logistics
    measure.
    As in, they don't have the resources to scribe their
    own manuals.
    But note the point in the article, that they can also just pick and choose what they want in the manual, and re-define things essentially at will. It allows them to be lazy while also shifting the proverbial goalposts.
    The article mentions alterations regrading treatment of the mentally ill.

    For another consideration, how often have police forces really hired people whose skills matched the job description? That's a bit of a rhetorical question, but it seems they could possibly change the manual to cover up a certain degree of incompetence. There's a reason they don't want you to have a camcorder around.

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    "Who wrote this chapter on how to beat a nigger?"
    Surprisingly, it was the Olson twins.

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    This is a clear example of why people (police officers) who are not trainined in the law and who apparently cannot even write or type shouldn't enforce the laws they clearly don't know.

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