Lose Lose Economy

[Dodds]

Nothing. But being "better" is irrelevant to this discussion.

If no one is better then how are we not all equal?

This is yet another example of someone taking responsibility for them self and succeeding.

And in the said same example an example of someones parents effecting their life chances.

Do your "social mobility rates" explain who is and who isn't being responsible for them selves? Oh wait...That's right....no one has any personal responsibility in your examples of "social mobility rates".

Oh you. The people who succeed are responsible for their success in countries with high social mobility, those with low social mobility obviously have underlying factors. This is something you miss. It is only logical to come to this conclusion, there must be a reason for the USAs and the UKs low social mobility, what do you think it is?

[Dieval]

If no one is better then how are we not all equal?

Isn't "better" a relative term? "equal" could fall in to that category to.
Describe your definition of "better" and "equal".

And in the said same example an example of someones parents effecting their life chances.

No....an example of someone standing on his own two feet and taking control of his life.

Oh you. The people who succeed are responsible for their success in countries with high social mobility, those with low social mobility obviously have underlying factors. This is something you miss. It is only logical to come to this conclusion, there must be a reason for the USAs and the UKs low social mobility, what do you think it is?

There is no one-size-fits-all answer here. Everyone has a different life, different situations, and different motivations.

Why does persona A who grew up in a "trailer park to alcoholic drug addicts" succeed while person B in the same trailer park not succeed? Explain that to everyone.

[Winter wind]

If no one is better then how are we not all equal?

We aren't exactly all equal. Felons in jail lose a lot of right like voting, picking where they live, etc. They are unequal from the general population.

I think we are all equal at the start, but (at the cost of sounding cheesy) our actions define us and set us apart. They may not make one person better than someone else, but we can at least distinguish F. Scott Fitzgerald from Stephanie Meyer. The first can write better than my twelve year old cousin. We can say he's better than my cousin in so far as that.

[Dodds]

Isn't "better" a relative term? "equal" could fall in to that category to.
Describe your definition of "better" and "equal".

Simple logic here. If we are not all the same then some must be better some must be worse. I am asking you what you think makes someone better? Just answer the question and stop playing the semantics card.

No....an example of someone standing on his own two feet and taking control of his life.

AND...an example of someones parents effecting their upbringing and life chances. I too can give you anecdotal evidence. When I was serving my time as a bricklayer we had to go to college to draw shit or something equally as pointless. A young man looking for an apprenticeship was doing the course to better his chances. Unfortunately for him he was from quite an infamous family. Even with recommendations from the college lecturer he could not get any kind of job nevermind an apprenticeship because of his family name. I guess that is his responsibility.

There is no one-size-fits-all answer here. Everyone has a different life, different situations, and different motivations.

True, however if there is no one size fits all then why does every other first world nation have better social mobility rates than the USA and UK?

Why does persona A who grew up in a "trailer park to alcoholic drug addicts" succeed while person B in the same trailer park not succeed? Explain that to everyone.

Luck.

[Dodds]

We aren't exactly all equal. Felons in jail lose a lot of right like voting, picking where they live, etc. They are unequal from the general population.

But that is a punishment, and we are all equal in front of the law.(Well we are meant to be anyways)

I think we are all equal at the start, but (at the cost of sounding cheesy) our actions define us and set us apart. They may not make one person better than someone else, but we can at least distinguish F. Scott Fitzgerald from Stephanie Meyer. The first can write better than my twelve year old cousin. We can say he's better than my cousin in so far as that.

I can agree with that. The point I am making is that we are mostly a product of our society. Germans are not born more efficient and good time keepers, they are made that way. And this really defines who we are as people, our upbringing molds us and we are effected by that upbringing. And these things effect our chances in life.

[minorwork]

Simple logic here. If we are not all the same then some must be better some must be worse. I am asking you what you think makes someone better? Just answer the question and stop playing the semantics card.

Which is exactly what you are doing. Differences necessarily imply better and worse? Sounds like you're going for some kind of bigotry. I don't see better or worse in differences. You? Should I?

[Dieval]

Simple logic here. If we are not all the same then some must be better some must be worse. I am asking you what you think makes someone better? Just answer the question and stop playing the semantics card.

Again, "better" is a relative term. I'm better than you because I have blonde hair, a screen name with 6 characters, and I prefer Diet Dr. Pepper.... Explain your definition of "better" and why it's relevant to this thread.

AND...an example of someones parents effecting their upbringing and life chances. I too can give you anecdotal evidence. When I was serving my time as a bricklayer we had to go to college to draw shit or something equally as pointless. A young man looking for an apprenticeship was doing the course to better his chances. Unfortunately for him he was from quite an infamous family. Even with recommendations from the college lecturer he could not get any kind of job nevermind an apprenticeship because of his family name. I guess that is his responsibility.

It sounds like you have a very different system over there...we can't discriminate based on "family name" over here.

True, however if there is no one size fits all then why does every other first world nation have better social mobility rates than the USA and UK?

...because their people aren't lazy and don't rely on the government to make their life better...?

Luck.

So, your plan is to regulate "luck" away?

[Dodds]

Which is exactly what you are doing. Differences necessarily imply better and worse?

In peoples opinions, I was just asking a question.

Sounds like you're going for some kind of bigotry.

Thats kinda funny.

I don't see better or worse in differences. You? Should I?

Depends on the differences. We are different, I bet you feel you are better than me at certain things.

[Dodds]

Again, "better" is a relative term. I'm better than you because I have blonde hair, a screen name with 6 characters, and I prefer Diet Dr. Pepper.... Explain your definition of "better" and why it's relevant to this thread.

Why is it relevant to this thread? Because people who are better at academic studies don't have the opportunity to further those studies without the disadvantage of either massive debts or sub standard grades.

Pretty relevant don't you think?

It sounds like you have a very different system over there...we can't discriminate based on "family name" over here.

Sure you can't. The GOBC does not exist in the USA.

...because their people aren't lazy and don't rely on the government to make their life better...?

Now that is just plain wrong. Many countries have many government programs that improve peoples lives. Did you ever think that saying people in the USa are lazy and reliant on government is kinda insulting to Americans?

So, your plan is to regulate "luck" away?

No.

[Senor Hoint]

Even if your point is valid, it doesn't mean that collectivist failures undermine Marxism or even communism in any way.

No. And when did I say that collectivist failures undermine Marxism? Collectivism hasn't really been implemented in real life. Unless you think despotism and monarchy are collectivism. The Stalinist USSR and the Third Reich were both absolute monarchies, not collectivist societies.

[minorwork]

In peoples opinions, I was just asking a question.

But you did NOT ask about what attributes were displayed for better or worse. You asked what made someone better.

Depends on the differences. We are different, I bet you feel you are better than me at certain things.

Not taking that bet. I do feel you excel at Scot locutionary skills and, just maybe, you got the edge on me when it comes to lying for effect. Still, doesn't make either of us "better." I choose to seek happiness in a bottle or needle doesn't make me any better than any other seeking happiness best they know how.

"We're all Hippos rolling down the river
Sometimes we cant touch the ground
Like Hippos slidin' in the water
Somehow we're stompin' around"
~ John Kay -- Hippo Stomp -- Steppenwolf

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=cZ_3OhYZ5Gw

[Dodds]

But you did NOT ask about what attributes were displayed for better or worse. You asked what made someone better.

I was looking for an opinion. Jeez just shoot me for being curious.

Not taking that bet. I do feel you excel at Scot locutionary skills and, just maybe, you got the edge on me when it comes to lying for effect.

And just what are you implying here? That I lie for effect? Perhaps I worded a question wrong and that my actions were misconstrued, the implication that this is lying for effect is quite insulting.

Still, doesn't make either of us "better." I choose to seek happiness in a bottle or needle doesn't make me any better than any other seeking happiness best they know how.

And this makes literally no sense to me what so ever.