Evolution

[truthreality]

So were you:

Right but I never once differentiated between high entropy and high order. Carbon tried to. This unequivocally untrue.

[xx_mortekai_xx]

I know how reproduction relates to evolution. Cancer does serve an evolutionary purpose:

"Cancer, in other words, re-creates within our own bodies the evolutionary process that enables animals to adapt to their environment. At the level of organisms, natural selection operates when genetic mutations cause some organisms to have more reproductive success than others; the mutations get “selected” in the sense that they persist and become more common in future generations. In cancer, cells play the role of organisms. Cancer- causing changes to DNA cause some cells to reproduce more effectively than ordinary ones. And even within a single tumor, more adapted cells may outcompete less successful ones. “It’s like Darwinian evolution, except that it happens within one organ,” explains Natalia Komarova of the University of California, Irvine...

Then he introduces some potential reasons why the genes that predispose us to cancer might be propagating in the gene pool. The fact that cancer is so common—and that our defenses against it fall short—suggests that perhaps there are evolutionary reasons for it, Zimmer says...

Through these examples, Zimmer suggests that looking at cancer through the lens of evolutionary biology may provide some novel insights. As behavioral ecologist Bernard Crespi says in the article, whereas other science tends to focus on the "how" of cancer, evolutionary biology instead investigates the "why." And that question may have some pretty fascinating—not to mention useful!—answers."

You claim that it DOES serve a purpose, then post something that claims that the prevalence SUGGESTS evolutionary reasons.

ALSO, i love how Ms Komarova describes the process as "like evolution", not evolution.

besides, the article does nothing to prove your point. Its more about how a mechanism similar to evolution happens WITHIN CANCER CELLS, then Zimmer goes off on his thing about how cancer MIGHT have an evolutionary reason.

and applying the principles of evolutionary biology to cancer may be a novel approach, and may teach us things about cancer, but that has nothing to do with cancer having an evolutionary purpose.

Got any ACTUAL evidence to support your claim?

[xx_mortekai_xx]

Right but I never once differentiated between high entropy and high order. Carbon tried to. This unequivocally untrue.

well, to be fair, they DO tend to go hand in hand.

However, they are not the same.

[truthreality]

well, to be fair, they DO tend to go hand in hand.

However, they are not the same.

No they do not go hand in hand. There is no rule that high entropy systems should have lack of order in system.

[xx_mortekai_xx]

No they do not go hand in hand. There is no rule that high entropy systems should have lack of order in system.

I didnt say it was a fucking rule, did I?

I said they tend to go hand in hand.

Where does that imply a rule? Go ahead, show me. I want to see this shit.

[truthreality]

I didnt say it was a fucking rule, did I?

I said they tend to go hand in hand.

Where does that imply a rule? Go ahead, show me. I want to see this shit.

What do you mean they go hand in hand?

[xx_mortekai_xx]

What do you mean they go hand in hand?

OH, prejudged, did we?

I asked where i implied that it was a rule. Answer the fucking question.

[truthreality]

OH, prejudged, did we?

I asked where i implied that it was a rule. Answer the fucking question.

Did I say you said it was a rule? That was a separate statement and point. They do not go hand in hand.

[xx_mortekai_xx]

well, to be fair, they DO tend to go hand in hand.

However, they are not the same.

No they do not go hand in hand. There is no rule that high entropy systems should have lack of order in system.

I didnt say it was a fucking rule, did I?

I said they tend to go hand in hand.

Where does that imply a rule? Go ahead, show me. I want to see this shit.

What do you mean they go hand in hand?

OH, prejudged, did we?

I asked where i implied that it was a rule. Answer the fucking question.

Did I say you said it was a rule? That was a separate statement and point. They do not go hand in hand.

You specifically implied I said it when you argued that "there is no rule that high entropy systems should have a lack of order in system" (i didnt even argue THAT, i was agreeing that high entropy and high order TEND TO go hand in hand).

Here, for reference, are examples of me implying that it was a rule:

Order and entropy go hand in hand, as a rule.

Or

there exists a direct proportion between order and entropy. we see no examples to the contrary.

NOT

Order and entropy tend to go hand in hand. They are not the same, however

[truthreality]

You specifically implied I said it when you argued that "there is no rule that high entropy systems should have a lack of order in system" (i didnt even argue THAT, i was agreeing that high entropy and high order TEND TO go hand in hand).

Here, for reference, are examples of me implying that it was a rule:

Order and entropy go hand in hand, as a rule.

Or

there exists a direct proportion between order and entropy. we see no examples to the contrary.

NOT

Order and entropy tend to go hand in hand. They are not the same, however

Oh. I am sorry. I thought you were saying that high entropy and high disorder go hand in hand. This is the point Carbon was making so I got confused.

[truthreality]

Yes, a flawed analogy. Star Wars is not a good comparison with real life.

Actually it is a good comparison. Have you heard yin yang? It's the same concept. Movies and stories provide lessons for real life. That's why they are popular. They convey themes that are applicable to real life.

[Senor Hoint]

Actually it is a good comparison. Have you heard yin yang? It's the same concept. Movies and stories provide lessons for real life. That's why they are popular. They convey themes that are applicable to real life.

Pray tell, what lessons for real life can we draw from star wars? I love star wars but I don't really look at it as advice for the real world.
Could you provide evidence that the concepts of good and evil exist independently of human thought?