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    Quote Quote by: crimethinker View Post
    What? No, I'm saying there are as of yet limits to what we can discover. Give us time. Jesus.
    What is it you believe time will uncover?

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    What is it you believe time will uncover?
    Pfft. I don't know. You might read some of Micho Kaku's books.


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    Give us time. Jesus.
    I'll pardon your pun.


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    Quote Quote by: ElusiveTruth View Post
    Are you saying that because Intelligent Design is unnecessary for us to exist... it therefore does not exist?
    I have yet to see a supposed lack of necessity being used as evidence against something. I hope you can come up with better arguments cause I'm not convinced by a pointless argument like that. I can't even nod my head and appreciate such an argument... it has 0 merit.
    Fair enough. Provide any evidence that intelligent design is a credible hypothesis.

    See, therein lies the problem. One cannot prove definitively a negative hypothesis - i.e., "intelligent design is not true."

    However, there is absolutely no credible evidence to suggest that it is true. Every shred of evidence offered up - from brute-force-chance calculations about evolution, to "irreducible complexity," - is wrong.

    A hypothesis - such as intelligent design - is not true until there is evidence proving it to be so. As it stands, it is not true.

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    How many "yahtzees" have been rolled besides Earth?
    Dont know, but considering that we have only been looking in our own galaxy, and only looking for planets either big enough to be able to tug on a star or has a short enough period to be as far out as earth, and considering how many planets we have found already, its pretty likely we will find at least one other planet in our galaxy that can support life. (notice I didnt say does, but can) Hell, there MIGHT have even been life independent of earth life on mars, but that is still up in the air (the viking lander found some evidence that pointed to metabolism in the soil of mars, but it hasnt been confirmed, and the other two tests that could have confirmed it are now known to likely have killed anything that was in the soil, due to the testing procedures)



    Please explain precisely how you arrived here today as a result of a cosmic "Yahtzee" of some kind and precisely why we do not observe it happening here anymore nor anywhere we are able to look? Remember, precisely explain your theories. Broad references will not do.
    Why do you religious people want precise and explicit explanations from atheists, but are content to take generalities and vagueries when it comes to their religion?

    besides, evolution doesnt actually say a damn thing about the origin or development of the earth. it only covers what happened to life on earth after life actually started. It doesnt include the origin of life, which would be chemistry. But, considering your lack of knowledge about general science, that doesnt really suprise me you dont know these things.

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    Quote Quote by: crimethinker View Post
    A white-bearded man in the sky, is that right? The atheist definition of "what they believe" is a lot more precise than that of religious folk
    I would suggest that your 'what they believe' is not quite right sir

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    How many "yahtzees" have been rolled besides Earth?

    Please explain precisely how you arrived here today as a result of a cosmic "Yahtzee" of some kind and precisely why we do not observe it happening here anymore nor anywhere we are able to look? .
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    A good question about intelligent design:

    Why would an intelligent designer create one insignificant speck on which life exists in such a vast expanse of a universe, filled conditions that are completely hostile to life?


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    Whoa... when did your post pop up? I could have sworn I only saw one reply yesterday... anyway moving on.

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    Intelligent Design is creationism wrapped in the guise of pseudo-science. It attempts to apply information theory to biology to create a "marketable" idea that can then be pushed into scientific classrooms as a last-ditch effort to keep religion in America.
    Interesting... But isn't science supposedly empirical and dependent on that which is objective and falsifiable. And yet this same science comes up with theories such as big bangs which are in no way objective or falsifiable.

    This science which is supposed to be rooted in that which is observable and falsifiable... has atheists strutting around claiming that only science can possibly divine the cause of the universe and therefore every other theory or idea out there must be BS unless it has been accepted and proven by science. Funny how a discipline that prides its methodology and empiricism supposedly know best about that which lies outside of their current scope and is in no way empirical.

    Until science has time travel... they won't be able to properly research the cause of the universe. Right now... in my eyes scientific theories with regards to the cause of the universe are as speculative as anything else. After all... they are merely coming to conclusions from the little bit of knowledge that have managed to garner by studying one little planet and looking through telescopes at the rest of the galaxy.

    My apologies if I do not bend knee and hail Atheists and their science as the only possible explanation for something which can not be directly explored or falsified. I am not even close to convinced that science has in any way so much as decreased the possibility of intelligent design.

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    Quote Quote by: ElusiveTruth View Post
    Interesting... But isn't science supposedly empirical and dependent on that which is objective and falsifiable. And yet this same science comes up with theories such as big bangs which are in no way objective or falsifiable.

    This science which is supposed to be rooted in that which is observable and falsifiable... has atheists strutting around claiming that only science can possibly divine the cause of the universe and therefore every other theory or idea out there must be BS unless it has been accepted and proven by science. Funny how a discipline that prides its methodology and empiricism supposedly know best about that which lies outside of their current scope and is in no way empirical.

    Until science has time travel... they won't be able to properly research the cause of the universe. Right now... in my eyes scientific theories with regards to the cause of the universe are as speculative as anything else. After all... they are merely coming to conclusions from the little bit of knowledge that have managed to garner by studying one little planet and looking through telescopes at the rest of the galaxy.

    My apologies if I do not bend knee and hail Atheists and their science as the only possible explanation for something which can not be directly explored or falsified. I am not even close to convinced that science has in any way so much as decreased the possibility of intelligent design.
    The big bang theory does nothing to try to explain the origin of the universe, simply what happened from a short time after it came into being until roughly now. And it has falsifiable evidence, like the existence and makeup of the CMB, the age of stars, large scale homogeneity, and the abundance of light elements. All of these things were predictions of the big bang theory. Just because you dont accept the evidence doesnt mean that the scientific community doesnt.

    Its funny when christians try to explain what different scientific theories attempt to explain. very few times do i see those explanations actually being accurate to the actual theories, as it is with the above. (evolution is usually the worst, as the christian explanations usually run over into abiogenesis, astrophysics, and the big bang, to name a few)


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    Quote Quote by: ElusiveTruth View Post
    For those who want to start off by bringing in evidence for or against Intelligent Design here is one of my own definitions. "Intelligent Design is the creation of a framework of Laws within which the universe freely unfolds within the boundaries of said Laws."
    So why call that Intelligent Design? That title is so loaded with preconceptions and bias. It contains no immediate descriptive association with your definition at all.

    What your definition is describing, IMO, is what consciousness accomplishes on the fly so to speak, most commonly noted when arising of a morning after several hours without any creation. Your description is, therefore, IMO not of Intelligent Design but of Consciousness. I have no firm consensus of opinion or idea what Intelligence is and only a vague concept of Design relating to sating appetites and desire. Just that it sure seems to me that your definition has nailed Consciousness.

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    Quote Quote by: ElusiveTruth View Post
    Interesting... But isn't science supposedly empirical and dependent on that which is objective and falsifiable. And yet this same science comes up with theories such as big bangs which are in no way objective or falsifiable.
    The big bang is both objective and falsifiable. Do you know what those words mean?

    http://news.nationalgeographic.com/n..._big_bang.html

    Also, I find it interesting that my other posts have not been replied to... I wonder why? Oh, because intelligent design is bunk, and it's been shown to be so.

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