Alien Astronauts

[Void Serpent]

This is in response to the thread "was god an alien astronaut"
There is also a good book "Chariots of the gods". The thinking in the book is good but not all his sources are credible. Since that and other ideas of ET interpretations of gods has gone a million ways. Some say they jump started out evolution, thus there is a missing link. Hypothesis that the alien technology utilized gold and that is why we value such a useless rock. The tale has been spun hundreds of ways but other than myth being crazy stories imaginative people created to explain the world I would say Aliens are better over a creator deity.

Space is huge and if life from another world began exploring it could have landed here while homo sapiens were still in its technological infancy. it is plausible that even if the aliens tried to communicate they were not gods, while they stocked on provisions, fuel food water, insulation anything that will eventually deplete upon a galactic ship, that our ancestors would began to believe gods were in the sky with chariots of fire and powers to topple trees. We now have those powers from our technology and if aliens visited we would call them aliens not gods.

We can already conclude that humans will place godhood on a civilization more advanced than there own. Cortez and the Aztec. WW2 pacific tribes on islands that are too small to be mapped made structures of planes to call back there gods(the soldiers that help them).

So I would claim it is plausible, better than god, but not as "realistic" I suppose, than myths are just myths with no other source than our planet without alien contact.

[minorwork]

You'll be wanting to see Ridley Scott's movie opening in June. Prometheus.

[Peter]

This is in response to the thread "was god an alien astronaut"
There is also a good book "Chariots of the gods". The thinking in the book is good but not all his sources are credible. Since that and other ideas of ET interpretations of gods has gone a million ways. Some say they jump started out evolution, thus there is a missing link. Hypothesis that the alien technology utilized gold and that is why we value such a useless rock. The tale has been spun hundreds of ways but other than myth being crazy stories imaginative people created to explain the world I would say Aliens are better over a creator deity.

Space is huge and if life from another world began exploring it could have landed here while homo sapiens were still in its technological infancy. it is plausible that even if the aliens tried to communicate they were not gods, while they stocked on provisions, fuel food water, insulation anything that will eventually deplete upon a galactic ship, that our ancestors would began to believe gods were in the sky with chariots of fire and powers to topple trees. We now have those powers from our technology and if aliens visited we would call them aliens not gods.

We can already conclude that humans will place godhood on a civilization more advanced than there own. Cortez and the Aztec. WW2 pacific tribes on islands that are too small to be mapped made structures of planes to call back there gods(the soldiers that help them).

So I would claim it is plausible, better than god, but not as "realistic" I suppose, than myths are just myths with no other source than our planet without alien contact.

Ancient aliens seeding life on earth is infinitely more plausible than a supernatural creator who made us to enjoy orgasms and then forbids us to jack off. Anyone believing that has severe mental issues, the desire for sado masochism or likely both.


For me, supernatural creator gods are simply beyond belief.

[Void Serpent]

Ancient aliens seeding life on earth is infinitely more plausible than a supernatural creator who made us to enjoy orgasms and then forbids us to jack off. Anyone believing that has severe mental issues, the desire for sado masochism or likely both.


For me, supernatural creator gods are simply beyond belief.

Right? I mean i personally wouldn't go as far as saying they seeded life but anyone exploring the galaxy could have stopped by at any period of a planet's evolution and been mistaken as "gods" by primitive people and then went on their merry way.

The movie does seem entertaining, but Hollywood and scifi writers have a way of muddying the waters of what aliens would be like or what they would have done. It seems to me it would be nearly impossible to decode a true alien code, I believe the Navajo language was the one America used for codes during WW2 and it is still unbreakable unless you know the code prior to interception.

[Apeman81]

Right? I mean i personally wouldn't go as far as saying they seeded life but anyone exploring the galaxy could have stopped by at any period of a planet's evolution and been mistaken as "gods" by primitive people and then went on their merry way.

The movie does seem entertaining, but Hollywood and scifi writers have a way of muddying the waters of what aliens would be like or what they would have done. It seems to me it would be nearly impossible to decode a true alien code, I believe the Navajo language was the one America used for codes during WW2 and it is still unbreakable unless you know the code prior to interception.

Not sure what this thread has to do with religion and spirituality...

But as an aside, no code based on the insertion of unfamiliar language is "unbreakable". It simply takes enough repetition of referring to a tank as "torga" until you learn that tank means torga. The Navajo code talk was successful because it was used at the tactical level, where there is too little time and too few intel assets to make the connection between torga and tank to break the code.

[Angry Citizen]

It simply takes enough repetition of referring to a tank as "torga" until you learn that tank means torga.

Are you referring to the tank as torga? The steel alloy? Are you using it as the verb "destroy"? How on Earth could anyone know unless the language-owners wanted them to know it.

[Void Serpent]

Not sure what this thread has to do with religion and spirituality...

But as an aside, no code based on the insertion of unfamiliar language is "unbreakable". It simply takes enough repetition of referring to a tank as "torga" until you learn that tank means torga. The Navajo code talk was successful because it was used at the tactical level, where there is too little time and too few intel assets to make the connection between torga and tank to break the code.

I didn't see it as science so it was between philosophy or religion and since it debates the interpretation of doctrine as alien visitation religion seemed more appropriate.

That assumes you have a basis to go off I communicate with my Spanish speaking coworkers in the same way you are detailing breaking a code. I point or they do at something repeatedly saying it in native tongue and eventually we learn what it is the others' words mean and then anytime they say it it becomes a synonym for me. Given a radio signal or a drawing without any median to cross reference from an alien would be impossible to decipher. The Rosetta stone was a median for hieroglyphics and some markers aided too but if you found a stone with the word tree on it from another planet and there were no symbols or someone to point at a tree you couldn't figure it out.

[Apeman81]

Are you referring to the tank as torga? The steel alloy? Are you using it as the verb "destroy"? How on Earth could anyone know unless the language-owners wanted them to know it.

The use of the Navajo language was a wonderful use of the obscurity aspect of cipher creation. But anyone knowing Navajo would be able to translate, as the Japanese tried to do with a non code talker Navajo captive.

To further encipher the code, Code talkers used meaningless strings of words to spell other words. Translated phonetics. The Navajo word is translate to English, and the first letter of the English word is the next letter in the message. Wol-la-chee in English means ant. Thus the phonetic is A. And so on to get the entire message.

Phonetics are a very slow method to express ideas. So several hundred words were used to replace the entire English word. Such as "ah-he- tih-hi" directly translated as hummingbird, meaning fighter plane.

In a strategic setting, where intelligence personnel are able to examine multiple radio communications over time, the repeated use of the word ah-he- tih-hi, could be linked to fighter plane because during the tactical engagement, the use of the term was followed by the appearance of the object.

Hence the tactical use of the code itself. Limiting code talk to communications between field commanders and units in the field helped keep it secure.

[Apeman81]

I didn't see it as science so it was between philosophy or religion and since it debates the interpretation of doctrine as alien visitation religion seemed more appropriate.

I'll buy that for a dollar. Makes enough sense given the choices

[QOUTE] That assumes you have a basis to go off I communicate with my Spanish speaking coworkers in the same way you are detailing breaking a code. I point or they do at something repeatedly saying it in native tongue and eventually we learn what it is the others' words mean and then anytime they say it it becomes a synonym for me. Given a radio signal or a drawing without any median to cross reference from an alien would be impossible to decipher. The Rosetta stone was a median for hieroglyphics and some markers aided too but if you found a stone with the word tree on it from another planet and there were no symbols or someone to point at a tree you couldn't figure it out.[/QUOTE]

See response in post 8

[Void Serpent]

Although I hate Wikipedia I am unable to obtain anything resembling my book's telling of the Arecibo message.
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Arecibo_message

I believe it assumes too much known human relationship/ideas for it to be understood.

where as allows an alien who obtained the pioneer space craft to deduce our size and possibly if they found a solar system with as many planets as ours they would check the third.

To try and steer conversation back to religious doctrine as retelling of aliens; I bring two ideas from the JCI Texts of god coming down in a pillar of fire on top of mount Sinai, and people in the promised land "giants" in Hebrew can also mean those that came down. I have more examples but ill start there, I believe it could just be fictional embellishment but if it did have physical representation; that pillar of fire could be landing thrusters and giants obviously meaning aliens.