Why does "No justice, No peace" mean guilty before the trial?

[el ايمان]

Who gives a fuck what his friends and family are willing to do? I know what I hear, and "coons" ain't it. Stop reaching.

I bet Zimmerman does. They're not helping his case by asserting that he was saying "goons" instead of "coons" or "punks".

[Angry Citizen]

Well who gives a fuck about Zimmerman? Voluntary manslaughter charge. No hate crime bullshit by politically correct lynch mobs. Case CLOSED.

[lsbskins1]

Who gives a fuck what his friends and family are willing to do? I know what I hear, and "coons" ain't it. Stop reaching.

I know you are, but what am I?

I'm fully confident that if you played the tape cold for a hundred people, who had no idea about the situation, 95 out of 100 would hear "oo" and not "uh", but all we will accomplish going back and forth about it is nothing. Let's move on.

[el ايمان]

If this turns out to be not-self defense, I'd think that the charge could be bumped up to 2nd degree murder, no?

[JimL]

I think the main issue is why has Zimmerman not been taken into custody? There is much evidence that contradicts his story, so much so that if the tables were turned and it was a black man who stalked and killed a white teenager under the same circumstances, he would most assuredly be in custody right now. It has been determined that the one calling out for help, contrary to Zimmerman's story to the police, was not Zimmerman. Zimmerman also claimed that he was walking back to his car when Trayvon who was just previously running away from him, suddenly attacked him. That story seems to be in contradiction to the phone conversation between Trayvon and his girlfriend as he was fleeing from Zimmerman. Zimmerman also claims that Trayvon was on top of him, punching him in the face and slamming his head into the concrete wherin Zimmerman was able to get to his gun and shoot Trayvon in the chest, and yet, there was no blood on Zimmermans shirt or jacket. The police seem to be culpable here as well, they knew the identity of Trayvon and yet they listed him as a John Doe and didn't notify the family of his killing for three days. Why would they tag him as a John Doe, when they were aware of his identity?

[Angry Citizen]

if the tables were turned and it was a black man who stalked and killed a white teenager under the same circumstances, he would most assuredly be in custody right now.

Fucking prove it then. As oppressed as Hispanics are in the south, especially in places like Florida where they make up a large percentage of the population, how dare you suggest that blacks are any more marginalized.

[JimL]

Fucking prove it then. As oppressed as Hispanics are in the south, especially in places like Florida where they make up a large percentage of the population, how dare you suggest that blacks are any more marginalized.

You just proved it for me, you've just admitted in your own words that even you understand that people of color, both Hispanics and blacks are marginalized relative to whites. I wouldn't categorize George Zimmerman as a person of color, even if he is part Hispanic. But why do you ignore the rest of the post, do you believe that under the circumstances Zimmerman should not be in custody?

[Angry Citizen]

You just proved it for me, you've just admitted in your own words that even you understand that people of color, both Hispanics and blacks are marginalized relative to whites.

a) My words are not proof. b) Just because a wider group of people are marginalized doesn't mean one specific person was marginalized for that reason. If an atheist is murdered by a Christian, can you claim that the atheist was necessarily murdered because he was marginalized by society at large?

But why do you ignore the rest of the post, do you believe that under the circumstances Zimmerman should not be in custody?

I believe that under the circumstances, anyone who claims this is necessarily about race - rather than possibly, but unlikely - is being quite the sheep. And I swear to God, I'ma stab the next person wearing a solidarity hoodie, whether they're black, white, or purple.*

*note: Okay, I won't stab them with a knife, but I'll stab them verbally.

I wouldn't categorize George Zimmerman as a person of color, even if he is part Hispanic.

Obama: Half-white, half-black. FIRST BLACK PRESIDENT. ANY GROUP THAT FORMS TO OPPOSE HIM IS RACIST.

Zimmerman: Half-white, half-hispanic. "I wouldn't categorize George Zimmerman as a person of color".

[lsbskins1]

Well who gives a fuck about Zimmerman? Voluntary manslaughter charge. No hate crime bullshit by politically correct lynch mobs. Case CLOSED.

How dare you compare people calling for justice to a lynch mob. Especially in this case. Lynch mobs actually broke into peoples homes, dragged them into the street and hung them and that happened, most often, to black people. I will say it again. Nobody on this board who thinks Zimmerman should be facing charges has called for him to be hung without a trial. I don't think any of us want him hung. I don't think this was premeditated murder. But, despite the fact that you seem to believe racism is dead and gone and that it is somehow impossible that Zimmerman was making a prejudiced and racially based judgment of Martin, it is not impossible and the evidence pretty much points to that being the fact. And hate crimes laws are not "politically correct bullshit". They say, very distinctly, that society will not tolerate bigots acting on their hatred without comment or consequence. Matthew Shepperd did not die because someone wanted to rob him, he died because two assholes hated him and felt he was beneath human concern. He died, tied to a fence, KNOWING that they and many, many others felt he was so contemptible that he did not even deserve to be allowed to live. Hate crimes laws are meant to address that attitude. They are meant to say that society not only does not accept the idea, if you act on it, you will pay a higher price. And you know what, I am who gives a fuck about it. Who are YOU to say what I give a fuck about matters not at all?

[JimL]

a) My words are not proof. b) Just because a wider group of people are marginalized doesn't mean one specific person was marginalized for that reason. If an atheist is murdered by a Christian, can you claim that the atheist was necessarily murdered because he was marginalized by society at large?

a) Your words are proof of your belief's, and your belief is that people of color are marginalized. b) A Christian has no way of discriminating the beliefs or religious status of strangers. You are mixing apples and oranges.

I believe that under the circumstances, anyone who claims this is necessarily about race - rather than possibly, but unlikely - is being quite the sheep. And I swear to God, I'ma stab the next person wearing a solidarity hoodie, whether they're black, white, or purple.*

*note: Okay, I won't stab them with a knife, but I'll stab them verbally.

This case is not about race, race is a side issue, its about homicide, whether justifiable or not. The evidence shows probable cause for an arrest and a trial. Why is there no arrest?

Obama: Half-white, half-black. FIRST BLACK PRESIDENT. ANY GROUP THAT FORMS TO OPPOSE HIM IS RACIST.

Zimmerman: Half-white, half-hispanic. "I wouldn't categorize George Zimmerman as a person of color".

Apparently you don't know the difference between ethnicity and race. Obama is black, Zimmerman is white.

[Angry Citizen]

a) Your words are proof of your belief's, and your belief is that people of color are marginalized. b) A Christian has no way of discriminating the beliefs or religious status of strangers.

Ha. And a white guy has no way of discriminating the race of a stranger. But they can discriminate against the person possessing the race.

This case is not about race, race is a side issue

No, this case is absolutely about race. Plenty of guilty people walk. There's no outcry over them, usually.

Apparently you don't know the difference between ethnicity and race. Obama is black, Zimmerman is white.

I do, I just don't particularly care. Irish are white; that doesn't mean they weren't marginalized during some portions of American history precisely because they're Irish. Personally I despise the concept of race, and I don't really see much of a difference between it and ethnicity. Both exist because one's heritage comes from a specific locale. Blacks from Africa; Hispanics from Hispaniola.

[Angry Citizen]

How dare you compare people calling for justice to a lynch mob.

I'll just leave this here:

Spike Lee's Zimmerman Tweet Could Lead to Lawsuit | Reuters

despite the fact that you seem to believe racism is dead and gone and that it is somehow impossible that Zimmerman was making a prejudiced and racially based judgment of Martin

I don't think that. But unlike you, I'm willing to apply a skeptical eye and give the hispanic dude the benefit of the doubt - you know, the one entitled to him under the law? Imagine that.

Matthew Shepperd did not die because someone wanted to rob him, he died because two assholes hated him and felt he was beneath human concern.

And plenty of other gays are slaughtered without anyone caring one bit about their homosexuality. Stating with absolute certainty, as you have multiple times, that this was racially motivated, betrays an unreasonable and unfounded opinion, and is absolutely lynch mob behavior. You have presumed guilt when you have no right to do so.