Well it is part of the Christian religion. I ever claimed it made sense.Quote by: R.F.
Well it is part of the Christian religion. I ever claimed it made sense.
The storys been told a million times,
but it's different when it's your life
Again forget blue if you wish to be picky. I could specify a specific wavelength and there would be a perception of it by say humans. If humans die the perception dies, but the wavelength persists. That is the point.
The storys been told a million times,
but it's different when it's your life
Double post.
The storys been told a million times,
but it's different when it's your life
Only if you're not paying attention. You complained that there was a range of wavelengths generally described as "blue". I pointed out that there are a variety of different blues that we can further differentiate depending on the specific wavelength. We don't just call everything within that range of wavelengths "blue" because people can't necessarily differentiate between them, we do it for the same reason we use words like "tall". It's a general descriptor that we can further refine if we wish to determine how "tall" or "blue" a thing might be. Perception has absolutely nothing to do with it.
There is nothing demonstrably true that religion can provide the world that cannot be achieved more rationally through entirely secular means.
Actually, Hanuman langurs, a type of old-world monkey, still practice this type of behavior. Males will kill off all offspring that is not theirs to enlarge their own gene pool. Certainly there is still infanticide done among some primitive human cultures and we can point to many instances of it through history. Sex-selective infanticide is hardly unheard of.
I really don't know that we even need the word "morality" to refer to any of this because they are biological impulses and the words we have are sufficient. It's like saying taking a crap is "moral". No, it's a biological imperative, you do it or you explode. Morality doesn't even enter into it.
There is nothing demonstrably true that religion can provide the world that cannot be achieved more rationally through entirely secular means.
Thanks, I was unaware of this.
It is not unheard of, even in some not so primitive societies, but I understand it here is more a social thing.
I suppose it depends on the definition. R.F. was using the term this way and so I followed his lead.
On the other hand you don't blow up if don't do it. People for example resist hunger or sex all the time.
The storys been told a million times,
but it's different when it's your life
No problem. I think the behavior is more widespread than most people are aware of.
In large part, humans have stopped evolving biologically, or the process has significantly slowed, because we can change our environment and therefore, our biology doesn't need to adjust. It probably is a social thing, but done for the same reasons as animals that do it for biological reasons. It promotes survival of the fittest, whether biologically or personally. The guy who can have the most children and spread his genes the farthest wins the biological race.It is not unheard of, even in some not so primitive societies, but I understand it here is more a social thing.
Yes, but you don't poison yourself with your own waste if you don't eat for a while. Not defecating tends to do that to you.On the other hand you don't blow up if don't do it. People for example resist hunger or sex all the time.
There is nothing demonstrably true that religion can provide the world that cannot be achieved more rationally through entirely secular means.
Crapping is an action used for immediate survival. This isn't even a behavior; it's our bodies’ way of ridding itself of waste after food conversion. Moral behaviors are behaviors that affect conscious creatures in a negative or positive way. One may use the words right or wrong, but it is only a quicker way of saying the former. An example would be a goose attacking you for being close to their eggs [it happened to me once, beware]. Or a dog fighting a mountain lion to save his owners life. They are the reason we tenderly carry our children instead of intentionally smashing their heads into walls.
I hate the word morality because as soon as people hear it a thousand years of philosophy enter our minds and cloud the question at hand. Or worse, people compare actions used for immediate survival to those behaviors that affect sentient life.
Moral behaviors affect other conscious creatures; defecation affects our toilet paper supply.
A casual stroll through the lunatic asylum shows that faith does not prove anything.
-Nietzsche
A lie gets halfway around the world before the truth has a chance to get its pants on
-Churchill
Ask yourself, what legitimate scientist as scientist is going to refer to a particular wavelength of light as Maya blue? The idea that artistic classification of colors is objective rather than subjective is preposterous.
"I think that tastes, odors, colors, and so on are no more than mere names so far as the object in which we locate them are concerned, and that they reside in consciousness. Hence if the living creature were removed, all these qualities would be wiped away and annihilated" — Galileo Galilei, The Assayer
If we want to be objective in describing how tall someting is we don't rely on "very tall" or "moderately tall" That is very imprecise -- certainly it's not objective. For objectivity we measure with a ruler.
Maybe you don't understand what I mean when I say "blue" is subjective. We knew "blue" well before we knew there were frequencies of light. So how did we know what "blue" was? We knew it because we experienced it. It was thousands of years later that we knew the experience was caused by some frequencies of light. It's that experience that I'm talking about. You keep refering to the light that causes the experience whereas I'm refering to the experience itself. Because that's what "blue" is -- the experience of it. A color blind person cannot have that experience. We can't explain to him the difference between "blue" and "red". All we can tell him is that the light has different frequencies. But that doesn't begin to convey the real difference in our heads.
Most people are not aware of much behavior at all, but one example does not make it widespread within primates
Simply because we change our environment does not make us stop evolving. Our biology needs to adapt to how we have changed it, including our dynamic and complex social structure. Cultural evolution is a very different thing and is not dependent on the number of progeny an individual has, but the survival of the culture.
But taking a crap is a very specific biological impulse that is also driven by a mechanical process, it doesn't reflect on the may more behaviors that are not driven by a mechanical process. The point is we can resist many of them.
The storys been told a million times,
but it's different when it's your life
And I have made it clear (as the person who began this) that we can use whatever term you like. The wavelengths objectively existed before us and they will exist after us. Lets not get hug up on the word blue.
The storys been told a million times,
but it's different when it's your life
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