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    Your right to speak does not concern Iraq though...nor does it concern the troops who were sent there. How does Iraq effect your freedom of speech? It was in no position to invade the US...

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    12 years of genocidal sanctions and bombings wasn't enough for Vicchio. Let's slaughter every man, woman and child in Iraq and it still won't be enough for him.


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    Quote Quote by: Mr.Vicchio
    I could be in Iraq next month, dying so you can spout whatever oyu want.
    i hate to break it to you but as noble as your intentions to help iraqis may be, it will have no impact on yours or my right to free speech.


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    Quote Quote by: Mr.Vicchio
    Just how many people have to be raped, murdered, torured and maimed for you? Just asking.
    Will you at least be honest enough to admit that the worst of Saddam's crimes were committed while he was our ally? While we were supplying him with military hardware and logistics!

    And please don't forget the tens of thousands of civilians tortured and slaughtered by our brutal occupation. Or don't they count to you? The US miltiary doesn't consider them even worthy of counting.

    The level of hypocrisy in the "rape, murder & torture" whine gets really hard to stomach.

    Rick

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    Quote Quote by: Mr.Vicchio
    As for the crash, it happens in peace, it sucks, but it has nothing to do with "the war" Shit happens when you fly.
    That is right, and I agree.
    However, I think that pilots should undergo much more rigorous trainings and tests, in order to minimize eventual casualties. That concerns the equipement, as well.

    Bush asks for patience ?
    Building new political fundaments for a state is not a computer-based game (like "Civilization", for example). It really takes time, especially in states that have never had any pro-democratic experience in its history at all.


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    Again, you're assuming that anything remotely resembling a form of government which will benefit the people is the Bush administration's goal here. There is no reason to assume that. These people are criminals. It's time to arrest them and go on from there.


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    Quote Quote by: Gorgo
    Again, you're assuming that anything remotely resembling a form of government which will benefit the people is the Bush administration's goal here. There is no reason to assume that. These people are criminals. It's time to arrest them and go on from there.
    (I am not sure whom your submitted text is addressed to.)

    That is not my assumption and has never been. My point concerns : creating a state's political fundaments.

    Criminals ? Arrests ?
    No idea. I assume - this time - that you refer to U.S. gvoernment.
    Am I correct ?
    (If "yes", then this subject is not this thread's topic.)


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    Quote Quote by: Mr.Vicchio
    I could be in Iraq next month, dying so you can spout whatever oyu want.

    Are you willing to die for my right to speak?

    Didn't think so.
    Yeah, and you could also be inducted into NASA's astronaut program, but I think we both know that neither of these is going to happen.

    As for the second part of your post, I have already done so. I was on active duty for almost ten years, 1966-1975, during another of our glorious attempts to save the world from Evil (you may have read about it, it was in all the papers). Maybe you ought to keep that in mind before you assume that you have any idea about what I am "willing to die for", or that I "wouldn't understand" what duty is.

    I'd especially like to see you and another poster in here stand up before the families of the 31 dead GI's and tell them that "Shit happens when you fly".

    I upped my income, up yours.

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    Rainbow, the thread is about Bush asking for patience. Criminals ask for a lot of things, but we generally try to be reasonable about what we allow them.

    My response was to you, who seems to assume that something good might accidentlally come from this criminal attack upon the people of Iraq. There is no reason to think so.


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    Quote Quote by: Mr.Vicchio
    Quote Quote by: Zeebadee
    Yeah, you are right about one thing. I don't understand how a two-bit chickenhawk, who complains that he doesn't get a tax break to support his own children, can have the balls to dismiss the deaths of 31 GI's who died in an unnecessary war that he supports, as "Shit happens when you fly." You should be ashamed. Shit in the form of lies dribbles down your chin every time you open your mouth. There were no WMD's. There was no connection to WTC. There was no clear and present danger to this country from Iraq. Every justification you mouth in support of this war has been disproved. You, sir, have no honor whatsoever. You are the lowest of the low.
    I could be in Iraq next month, dying so you can spout whatever oyu want.
    What rot. Nothing that happens in Iraq could possibly affect the right of Mr. Zeebadee to state his opinions. In fact if you go to Iraq it will be to prevent Iraqis stating their opinions.

    Quote Quote by: Mr.Vicchio
    Are you willing to die for my right to speak?

    Didn't think so.
    Are you prepared to die for his? If so your duty is clear, prepare to revolt against the US, since that state is clearly gearing up to become an elected dictatorship.
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    I could be in Iraq next month, dying so you can spout whatever oyu want.
    hopefully you will be in iraq. might as well be you instead of someone that doesn't believe in this crock. after all, you believe in what bush did to us..

    Last edited by bishop; 29th January 2005 at 12:21 AM.

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    Bush said of the chopper crash on Wednesday that it "...is going to be very discouraging for the American people. I understand that." And he followed with, "But it is the long-term objective that is vital, and that is to spread freedom." (emphasis mine)
    It is painfully obvious that we are supposed to completely forget the so-called threat to the United States this war was based on. It WAS the reason and we were supposed to be scared enough to support anything Bush did. Simple common sense dictates that if there was a real threat, and a real enough one to justify invading another country, the fact of that threat would still remain a historical truth and Bush would not NEED to downplay it. In other words, if it rained today, two years down the road you can't say it didn't.
    But with Bush, the Iraqi "threat" was real and directed at US. Then the threat was effectively disproved and now the focus is NOT on that "fact" but the NEW "fact" that we wanted to bring freedom to Iraq, and that was the reason all along.

    Why does it seem that if Bush started to repeat over and over that the reason we went into Iraq was to bring the Iraqi people affordable big screen televisions, we would be seeing people on this very forum saying what a great and noble goal THAT was?


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