Reincarnation: A Reason Based Fact of Reality

[minorwork]

So is your contention that consciousness ends with the death of the body?

I'm not talking to that question since it has no possibility of being founded on objective empiric knowledge. Persuade me otherwise. The experience of life reviews and previews is subjective and can have the appearance of taking place in past and future contexts. It is my contention that experiences can be had of sufficient power to convince any that the greater reality is not that which we call objective reality. What meaning am I intending to give such an experience? Much depends on the approach to the experience, what an individual's goals are in pursuing the experience.

[truthreality]

I'm not talking to that question since it has no possibility of being founded on objective empiric knowledge.

Why not? What if we find that consciousness is separate from the brain?

It is my contention that experiences can be had of sufficient power to convince any that the greater reality is not that which we call objective reality.

What if you can enter that "greater reality" at will in the case of Yogis who can enter Samadhi at will?

[minorwork]

Why not? What if we find that consciousness is separate from the brain?

OK. How would such objective confirmation appear? What standard would have to be met to affirm your speculation? I will say that I would oppose any claiming science has proven the existence of the supernatural.

What if you can enter that "greater reality" at will in the case of Yogis who can enter Samadhi at will?

Samadhi? Are you sure you don't mean Dhyana? What do you mean "at will?"

[truthreality]

Samadhi? Are you sure you don't mean Dhyana? What do you mean "at will?"

No I mean Samadhi. When I say "at will" I mean they can go into the trance at will.

[minorwork]

No I mean Samadhi. When I say "at will" I mean they can go into the trance at will.

You don't know what "at will" means? How do you know they don't have to create Dyhana to get to Samadhi? In fact, you know nothing of these subjects beyond hearsay anecdotal accounts of others. Have you experienced Dhyana? Samadhi?

Would you liken this "at will" to steering to McDonalds instead of Burger King? Is Samadhi so easy to get to that even a cave man can do it?

Do you have hopes that science will prove the supernatural? That would be the downfall of society and mark a return to the Dark Ages.

[truthreality]

You don't know what "at will" means?

Yes I do.

How do you know they don't have to create Dyhana to get to Samadhi?

Dhyana precedes Samadhi.

In fact, you know nothing of these subjects beyond hearsay anecdotal accounts of others. Have you experienced Dhyana? Samadhi?

I have experienced Dhyana.

Would you liken this "at will" to steering to McDonalds instead of Burger King?

Yes.

Is Samadhi so easy to get to that even a cave man can do it?

Samadhi is a difficult state to attain for the majority of the world.

Do you have hopes that science will prove the supernatural?That would be the downfall of society and mark a return to the Dark Ages.

My hope is that science continues to progress.

[minorwork]

I have experienced Dhyana.

Well then, welcome to the club. No, can't say I've achieved Samadhi either. Not after it either, yet. Dhyana was enough to give confidence and satisfaction to the propostion that I had experienced

Yes.

I did not find Dhyana that easy by any sense of the words, "at will." Well, unless you call a 2 year journey twixt McDonalds and Burger King being done "at will." Giving up at the end. I can only say that preparation was necessary and that the attainment itself could not be specifically called "at will" in the sense of the getting in a car and going where I want. Not to say that it could become that easy, but for me while in the body, the time and place of my existence required no further attainments. And but a smattering of re-entry to Dhyana over the years to "re-charge the batteries." Karmic obligations of my own and others do wander into view, likely you know of such as well.

Samadhi is a difficult state to attain for the majority of the world.

I wouldn't know.

[truthreality]

Well then, welcome to the club. No, can't say I've achieved Samadhi either. Not after it either, yet. Dhyana was enough to give confidence and satisfaction to the propostion that I had experienced .

What was your experience like? Do you still practice Dhyana? If not, why did you stop?

[minorwork]

What was your experience like? Do you still practice Dhyana? If not, why did you stop?

Parsing the experience into words. A point consciousness. No gravity. Was the reason for coming out of previous inductions for still having enough mind to throw up results of no gravity, the weakest of the four forces. That's some, enough for now.

Why stop trying for the first experience? Laziness? Fear? At will was hardly the phrase for rigorous effort to know mind and discover how to subdue it to see beyond its veil. Mark Changizi points to the mind's generation of future vision that enables hitting a baseball, driving a car, and such as walking on a crowded sidewalk. The tenth of a second lag time between light impacting the retina and response to the light is reduced to effectively zero time in Dhyana. This programming of our genetic heritage that enables future vision is not dropped "at will." Not in my case. The impression was more that of a presence behind me pulling me out and then was on my own to go "at will" but with no cause and effect present to justify the term. No traveling from McDonald's to Burger King. Instant scene change, but not to fast food joints.

Why stop? Realizing non-requirement of body for existence signaled that it was time to take up the Work done from within the body.