The Origins of Christianity.

**CarlPilkington** · 2nd October 2011, 12:36 AM

There is a brief pdf excerpt that this post is based here.

The book debunks the common apologetic records for the historicity of Jesus.
Then it show the similarities between Jesus, Buddah, Horus, Mithra, Krishna, and Prometheus.
It then goes to show that early Christian apologists destroyed early records of the similarities between Christianity and other Pagan religions, while shooting themselves in the dick by writing things like "You say we worship the sun; so do you."
Next, it explains how the Jesus myth and other myths were based from the sun.
It says the book of Revelations is just a reiteration of the Egyptian book of Zoroastrian.
Then, and you probably already knew this, that the Saints were often based off of gods from other religions.
And the last part being that the 12 disciples where just the 12 signs of the Zodiac.

And a few things you probably already know, but add to my point;
Christmas and Easter were originally pagan holidays and the Flood story of Noah was just a reiteration of the Epic of Gilgamesh.

My point being, Christianity is a plagiarism of various Pagan cults, knowing this, how do you rationalize staying a Christian? (Because I know this isn't going to change anyone's mind.)

**Peter** · 4th October 2011, 03:02 PM

Christianity is true because christ really rose from the dead! There were witnesses!

Just thought I'd get this rolling for the theists here.

**CarlPilkington** · 4th October 2011, 03:14 PM

I'm actually pretty shocked at the lack of response to this. One Christian did show me that the likeness between Jesus and Buddha were exaggerated, and in some place flat out made up. I wouldn't be surprised to find out there are more exaggerations, but I don't feel like looking it up myself; It's not my belief system being debunked.

**loser** · 7th October 2011, 02:42 AM

You have a queer way with words like saying "shooting themselves in the dick...". Who talks like that? Maybe it's the old adage GIGO...garbage in, garbage out.

FYI, Jesus was a very common name in 1st century Palestine. Variant spellings render it Joshua, to name just one. I'm guessing you don't realize just how ridiculous it is to claim that no one named Jesus lived then. That's like saying there is no proof that a Smith ever lived in America. Yeah, right. GIGO, my friend, GIGO.

**CarlPilkington** · 7th October 2011, 02:48 AM

Quote by: loser

You have a queer way with words like saying "shooting themselves in the dick...". Who talks like that? Maybe it's the old adage GIGO...garbage in, garbage out.

FYI, Jesus was a very common name in 1st century Palestine. Variant spellings render it Joshua, to name just one. I'm guessing you don't realize just how ridiculous it is to claim that no one named Jesus lived then. That's like saying there is no proof that a Smith ever lived in America. Yeah, right. GIGO, my friend, GIGO.

I talk like that, obviously, ever been to America?. I'm saying no one matching the description of Jesus in the bible existed. I'm well aware the name itself was prevalent, your point has nothing to do with the debate (not) being discussed.

**loser** · 7th October 2011, 03:31 AM

From your link, page 1: "...Shocking as it may seem to the general populace, the most enduring and profound controversy in this subject is whether or not a person named Jesus Christ ever really existed."

Maybe English is not his first language and perhaps logic is not his strong suit but, as I have already stated, Jesus was a very common name in 1st century Palestine and 'Christ' is a translation for the Hebrew title "Messiah" or the "Anointed One". In that period of history, messiah figures were a dime a dozen so the author's contention that the historicity of Jesus Christ is in question is absolutely ridiculous. He may question as to whether Jesus was really who He said He was (the Son of God) but no more. It's just more wishful thinking...and self-delusion.

**CarlPilkington** · 7th October 2011, 04:22 AM

Quote by: loser

From your link, page 1: "...Shocking as it may seem to the general populace, the most enduring and profound controversy in this subject is whether or not a person named Jesus Christ ever really existed."

Maybe English is not his first language and perhaps logic is not his strong suit but, as I have already stated, Jesus was a very common name in 1st century Palestine and 'Christ' is a translation for the Hebrew title "Messiah" or the "Anointed One". In that period of history, messiah figures were a dime a dozen so the author's contention that the historicity of Jesus Christ is in question is absolutely ridiculous. He may question as to whether Jesus was really who He said He was (the Son of God) but no more. It's just more wishful thinking...and self-delusion.

You've never heard of a figure of speech?

OK, then how about this: I'm using the information in that link to claim there was not a person who matches the account of the new testament who existed. Now can you stop wasting time with this name game? If you can prove that the parallels between Jesus and various other pagan gods do not exist, then you will have made a valid point.

**ozzie666** · 7th October 2011, 10:07 PM

Quote by: loser

In that period of history, messiah figures were a dime a dozen

then why havent we heard about all the other messiah's? or the other christs out there who were just as messiah-ish as jesus?

I've made a small conclusion for myself with this thread. i've argued that religion, christianity, plus others, were made as forms of control. lots of people have argued thus. what if, the priests of the time, or the council, or some authoritarian position a man could have, something where it allowed them to tell people what to do and they would listen. (if i was alive back then n someone said "the sky told me its gonna rain tomorrow" and it did, that would be good enough for me. anythings believable if your trying to persuade a dumb ass

) say people like these shifty characters saw the Egyptian religion, or the Greek religion, or Indian or Russian or Mongolian. lots of people travelling around then, lots of stories. these people could have easily thought;

"you no what... those Egyptians really have their lot under control. they're advanced in culture and they prosper well. we should throw something together thats similar to there's but in our own way, call it better then everyone else's and that way, many more people will follow us, and we can control them, and take their money!!!"

greedy men doing it today, how has man's wishes ever changed?

my point is, i can find a million different scenarios where religion, or god, or jesus, are all rendered pointless in my eyes. i can think of so much that sounds more plausible then actually believing the drivel that comes from any holy text or historical book about religion.

i heard this saying once:
morality is doing what is right, not what your told.
religion is doing what your told, whether it is right.

**CarlPilkington** · 8th October 2011, 02:56 PM

Quote by: ozzie666

I've made a small conclusion for myself with this thread. i've argued that religion, christianity, plus others, were made as forms of control.

I don't think it was created for control, I think it was created because people are fucking retarded and believe crazy shit. (And no, science doesn't stop people from believing crazy shit either. Education does.) It was then used for control.

**Blueberrysky** · 8th October 2011, 03:15 PM

I agree with you totally about the origins of Christianity. It plagiarised both Pagan and Judaism. Christians destroyed pagan temples and burned books to destroy as much evidence they could so no one can link the similarities between the Pagans & Christians. Yet we still have many doctrine, relics, statues, and books scattered from the many Pagan religions and Gods. Doing detective work to put the pieces together, the evidence is showing that Christianity is a rehash of older religions and Gods. Early church father 100CE Justin Martyr said it himself in this quote "And when we say also that the Word, who is the first-birth of God, was produced without sexual union, and that He, Jesus Christ, our Teacher, was crucified and died, and rose again, and ascended into heaven, we propound nothing different from what you believe regarding those whom you esteem sons of Jupiter."

**CarlPilkington** · 8th October 2011, 04:29 PM

Here is a little bit more of what Martyr said. If you don't understand what I mean by shooting himself in the dick, this is exactly what I mean. Proving that Christianity is true while mentioning all the ways it's exactly the same as various religions that aren't true.