Sounds like a personal problem you've got there. It's an Ad Hominem fallacy unless its true. It's not. Your strawman of capitalism with "what's in it for me" falls apart when I embrace helping neighbors and those unknown to me with my rather impersonal advocacy of raising money with taxes to cover those less well off than Bill Gates, Warren buffet, and myself.
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I appreciate the modern martyr's political goals far more than I do the goals promising favoritism by a deity in a mythical afterlife.
Which is why, in my first post on this subject i asked about political martyrdom. And gave another example of a martyr.
OK. I see your distinction and embrace it. I'll give the Buddhist kudos in the same way I'd give Patrick Henry kudos if his statement had gotten him hung.
Why not? In the case of the Buddhist, the regime of Vietnam was systematically wiping out Buddhists. The act of self immolation was a political statement not a religious one. The Buddhist was trying to gain recognition of what was happening. An event that both the Vietnam government and the American government were keen to keep secret.
However the pastor's is a religious conviction.
"Is life so dear, or peace so sweet, as to be purchased at the price of chains and slavery? Forbid it, Almighty God! I know not what course others may take; but as for me, Give me Liberty, or give me Death!" ~ Patrick Henry, March 23, 1775But your distinguishing between the pastor and the Buddhist martyrs as prodded by religion and the other not, and my embracing the thought, I'll expect challenges from the Christians that Buddhism is a religion since more than one of the Christians are quick to crazily declare science a religion too.
Another saint spared by God's Hand in the tradition of Abraham and Isaac? Or in the tradition of Kent Hovind and Peter Popoff?
According to the news article execution was unlikely.
But that making it a high profile case and making a claim that execution was likely because:
So it wasn't even real martyrdom just a publicity stunt.
OK, sure. I'll support the immolate's action on those terms. But damn, I'd have sure been casting around for some other way first.
I would say the Buddhist was in that class, he sacrificed himself so that people all over the world would understand exactly what the Vietnam government was doing and the Americans were hiding.
Do you think we'll have to wait much longer for the Occupy Wall Street bunch to show similar resolve? Be hard for Fox to ignore an immolation.