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[saif]

The doctrine of the “trinity” is far from biblical…. You will be unable to find the word trinity in the bible…. This “thought“ was never taught by Jesus (peace be upon him) nor was it ever referenced by him. There is no FACTUAL basis within the bible for acceptance of the trinity. As much as JESUS FREAKS would like to quote the Epistle of John, (5:7,8) -especially with King James Versions (authorized in 1611) Unbeknowing to most “Christians” (another term never used by Jesus), these verse were expunged in the Revised Standard Version (a lot of versions here folks pay attention) of 1952 and 1971 -finding that it was a gloss that encroached the Greek text (and by that time translated a few times). Next, Jesus Freaks will be quoting Mathew 28:19 however the formulation of the trinity by athanasious, an Egyptian deacon from Alexandria, was accepted by the Council of Nicea in A.D. 325. Yes 325 years after the fact. Roman Paganism had influenced this doctrine Google Mithra see what you come up with… which will also bring you into why we celebrate x-mas and new years… but… if any JESUS FREAK would like to debate this point feel free to post away.. The Truth shall set ye free…..

[saif]

The doctrine of the “trinity” is far from biblical…. Google Mithra see what you come up with… which will also bring you into why we celebrate x-mas and new years… but… if any JESUS FREAK would like to debate this point feel free to post away.. The Truth shall set ye free…..

Mithra held the highest rank among the gods of ancient Persia. He was represented as a beautiful youth and a Mediator. Mithra was called "the good shepherd,” "the way, the truth and the light,” “redeemer,” “savior,” “Messiah." He was identified with both the lion and the lamb. The International Encyclopedia states: "Mithras seems to have owed his prominence to the belief that he was the source of life, and could also redeem the souls of the dead into the better world ... The ceremonies included a sort of baptism to remove sins, anointing, and a sacred meal of bread and water, while a consecrated wine, believed to possess wonderful power, played a prominent part." Chambers Encyclopedia says: "The most important of his many festivals was his birthday, celebrated on the 25th of December, the day subsequently fixed -- against all evidence -- as the birthday of Christ. The worship of Mithras early found its way into Rome, and the mysteries of Mithras, which fell in the spring equinox, were famous even among the many Roman festivals. The ceremonies observed in the initiation to these mysteries -- symbolical of the struggle between Ahriman and Ormuzd (the Good and the Evil) -- were of the most extraordinary and to a certain degree even dangerous character. Baptism and the partaking of a mystical liquid, consisting of flour and water, to be drunk with the utterance of sacred formulas, were among the inauguration acts." Prof. Franz Cumont, of the University of Ghent, writes as follows concerning the religion of Mithra and the religion of Christ: "The sectaries of the Persian god, like the Christians', purified themselves by baptism, received by a species of confirmation the power necessary to combat the spirit of evil; and expected from a Lord's supper salvation of body and soul. Like the latter, they also held Sunday sacred, and celebrated the birth of the Sun on the 25th of December.... They both preached a categorical system of ethics, regarded asceticism as meritorious and counted among their principal virtues abstinence and continence, renunciation and self-control. Their conceptions of the world and of the destiny of man were similar. They both admitted the existence of a Heaven inhabited by beatified ones, situated in the upper regions, and of a Hell, peopled by demons, situated in the bowels of the earth. They both placed a flood at the beginning of history; they both assigned as the source of their condition, a primitive revelation; they both, finally, believed in the immortality of the soul, in a last judgment, , and in a resurrection of the dead, consequent upon a final conflagration of the universe" (The Mysteries of Mithras, pp. 190, 191). Reverend Charles Biggs stated: "The disciples of Mithra formed an organized church, with a developed hierarchy. They possessed the ideas of Mediation, Atonement, and a Savior, who is human and yet divine, and not only the idea, but a doctrine of the future life. They had a Eucharist, and a Baptism, and other curious analogies might be pointed out between their system and the church of Christ (The Christian Platonists, p. 240). In the catacombs at Rome was preserved a relic of the old Mithraic worship. It was a picture of the infant Mithra seated in the lap of his virgin mother, while on their knees before him were Persian Magi adoring him and offering gifts. He was buried in a tomb and after three days he rose again. His resurrection was celebrated every year. McClintock and Strong wrote: "In modern times Christian writers have been induced to look favorably upon the assertion that some of our ecclesiastical usages (e.g., the institution of the Christmas festival) originated in the cultus of Mithraism. Some writers who refuse to accept the Christian religion as of supernatural origin, have even gone so far as to institute a close comparison with the founder of Christianity; and Dupuis and others, going even beyond this, have not hesitated to pronounce the Gospel simply a branch of Mithraism" (Art. "Mithra").Mithra had his principal festival on what was later to become Easter, at which time he was resurrected. His sacred day was Sunday, "the Lord's Day." The Mithra religion had a Eucharist or "Lord's Supper." The Christian Father Manes, founder of the heretical sect known as Manicheans, believed that Christ and Mithra were one. His teaching, according to Mosheim, was as follows: "Christ is that glorious intelligence which the Persians called Mithras ... His residence is in the sun" (Ecclesiastical History, 3rd century, Part 2, ch. 5). The Vatican was built upon the grounds previously devoted to the worship of Mithra (600 B.C.). In Rome, more than a hundred inscriptions dedicated to Mithras have been found, in addition to 75 sculpture fragments, and a series of Mithraic temples situated in all parts of the city. One of the largest Mithraic temples built in Italy now lies under the present site of the Church of St. Clemente, near the Colosseum in Rome.

[saif]

and that is why religions is in the state that it remains, people are fearful of the unknown.. . and probably quite p-d off that they have been lied to for so long that they don't know what to believe

[Mr.Vicchio]

Yawn.

Sorry Saif, I lost you in the ramblings... your point was the Trinity was not spoken of by jesus.. yet it was. Daily.

Perhaps if you READ the Bible you would see that.

Okay, he didn't USE those words, he was living proof of it, and it's clearly in there. But hey believe what you want, it's your soul. Not mine.

[saif]

reading tends to be difficult for those that refuse to read objectively, where r your facts bro?

[saif]

doesn't really suck that your minister never prepared you for reality?

[Mr.Vicchio]

I never had a minister sorry guy for smashing your false assumption, you could try again.

My Proof, it's called the New Testament. Mathew Mark Luke and John. Do you want a single passage? Its not there, there isn't one single line, its the Gospels as a whole that tell you the Truth of the Trinity. The Father Son and Holy Ghost are all in there. It's clear to me, sorry you refuse to accept Jesus into your heart.

[SlySpy]

I never had a minister sorry guy for smashing your false assumption, you could try again.

My Proof, it's called the New Testament. Mathew Mark Luke and John. Do you want a single passage? Its not there, there isn't one single line, its the Gospels as a whole that tell you the Truth of the Trinity. The Father Son and Holy Ghost are all in there. It's clear to me, sorry you refuse to accept Jesus into your heart.

I'm also sorry you don't accept the Book of Jive as factual evidence and take Fred the Lumberjack into your heart.

[Gorgo]

We've established that Vicchio is a false prophet. Do not listen to anything that he says.

[saif]

false prophet, i think not, false poster perhaps...

[Scribbler1]

I'm seeing a LOT of insulting one-line posts on this page alone. Can we knock it off before people start pressing the "report abuse" button ?

[saif]

I'm seeing a LOT of insulting one-line posts on this page alone. Can we knock it off before people start pressing the "report abuse" button ?

scrib, you can easily see that I have put forth a straight forward arguement here, unfortunately it seems that it is hard to have this discussion when the counters consist of "My Proof, it's called the New Testament. Mathew Mark Luke and John. Do you want a single passage? Its not there, there isn't one single line, its the Gospels as a whole that tell you the Truth of the Trinity. The Father Son and Holy Ghost are all in there. It's clear to me, sorry you refuse to accept Jesus into your heart." as well as "Okay, he didn't USE those words, he was living proof of it, and it's clearly in there. But hey believe what you want, it's your soul. Not mine." so I concede... as their is no substance in (their -those who agree) vague references.