A question on God and Indian giving.

[Greatest I am]

A question on God and Indian giving.

You are given a gift, use it for a time, and then the one who gave you that gift takes it back without your permission or consent.

In other words, showing himself to be an Indian giver.

Would you call that a sin?
I call it a form of lying.

The giver is in effect saying, I am giving you this gift, when in reality, he is not, as demonstrated by his taking it back or away from you.
If not a lie, is that a sin and what is the sin called?

God himself in scriptures seems to do this regularly as he kills those he supposedly loves and takes away the free will gift he supposedly gave them. Their free will was obviously to live.

Is God an Indian giver?

Regards
DL
YouTube - 1910 Fruitgum Company Indian Giver 1969

[Diogenes]

Indian giving

You do realize that that is considered a slur. And it's a slur I never quite understood...because our ancestors were the ones that made promises and didn't keep them. How that slur ever got coined is a mystery to me.

Is God an Indian giver?

How can a god that doesn't even exist be anything. No...god cannot give something then take it back, nor can god drive a car, or pick his nose...he doesn't exist.

[Angry Citizen]

You do realize that that is considered a slur.

Who gives a shit? God can't be an indian giver because he almost certainly doesn't exist.

[Diogenes]

Who gives a shit?

It matters to Aboriginal North Americans...and is considered as offensive as calling a black man a _____. So maybe you don't " give a shit " but they do.

[Angry Citizen]

Well, they can go to hell. You do not have a right not to be offended.

[el ايمان]

Well, they can go to hell. You do not have a right not to be offended.

Or we can not be a-holes and not use terms like that in the first place. I didn't know "Indian giver" was offensive because I didn't know Indians still existed after all of that European conquest, but it doesn't take much effort to be classy and respectful.

[Diogenes]

Well, they can go to hell.

You apparently have never had a native friend...or knew many...so racially motivated slurs don't register with you when the target is invisible.

By all means go on a Reserve and tell them how you feel...or do you prefer to only do it behind their backs in anonymity?

[Angry Citizen]

You apparently have never had a native friend...or knew many...so racially motivated slurs don't register with you when the target is invisible.

By all means go on a Reserve and tell them how you feel...or do you prefer to only do it behind their backs in anonymity?

That would be a very different conversation than the one you envision. My point isn't that I don't respect natives or blacks or whatever minority group you think I despise. My point is that they're not above insult, any more than I am. I personally choose not to insult people based on factors they can't control -- but I'll fight to the death your right to do so if you so choose.

[el ايمان]

That would be a very different conversation than the one you envision. My point isn't that I don't respect natives or blacks or whatever minority group you think I despise. My point is that they're not above insult, any more than I am. I personally choose not to insult people based on factors they can't control -- but I'll fight to the death your right to do so if you so choose.

You seem to be taking the stance that we are trying to file offensive racial slurs direced at only recently un-oppressed minorities as some sort of criminal act.

Nobody cares about someone's right to be an asshole. The thing that matters is that being an asshole is hurtful and suggestively impolite.

[Angry Citizen]

If the first thing mentioned in a thread about God is whether the language is appropriately inoffensive, then that's political correctness run amok. Seriously, if we're to discuss the phrase 'indian giving', then we need to discuss the fact that 'indian' is not even a proper term for native americans. So why are they getting offended? More importantly, why do we need to care so much about political correctness?

[Diogenes]

If the first thing mentioned in a thread about God is whether the language is appropriately inoffensive, then that's political correctness run amok. Seriously, if we're to discuss the phrase 'indian giving', then we need to discuss the fact that 'indian' is not even a proper term for native americans. So why are they getting offended? More importantly, why do we need to care so much about political correctness?

If the first thing in a thread, in BOTH the title and the first sentence is a slur...it is worth mentioning. I don't think common courtesy is political correctness run amok. As for the word ' indian ' it is not offensive to Native North Americans or East Indians so it doesn't need to be discussed.

I'm not personally offended...I just pointed out that the term is offensive to Native North Americans...personally I find most Americans to be ignorant of when they're being offensive...sometimes it needs to be pointed out.

Not calling someone something they find offensive has more to do with common courtesy than political correctness.

I don't deny anyone either the right to say what they think...if someone wants to be racist, or sexist, or a denialist, that's their right...it's also my right to say what I think...

or would you grant a racist the right to speak and at the same time deny my right to say what I think?

Because that does seem to be what you're suggesting...that I should be denied my rights while you uphold the rights of others.

If someone says something that I disagree with...do I, or do I not, have the right to say so?

[Angry Citizen]

By all means, speak. But I'm going to call you out on it as being an example of political correctness run amok. Personally, I'm offended by political correctness. Why don't you accommodate my touchy personality?