Did the white man evolve from black Africans?

[Angry Citizen]

Well, im not make it an issue. I also dont try to convince people. I mean, theres only ONE race and that is the human race and we have to do it together. I love all my peoples. Let that be clear. But truth is truth. Egypt and Ethiopia(Kush) is clearly mentioned in de Bible

The Bible was written circa 1000 BC, at least the Old Testament stuff. That's many thousands of years after the first civilization. It is thus not a reliable source for information. Not to mention there's the whole talking snakes, people living to 900 years, gods dying on crosses, and other ridiculousness that drive its credibility into the ground.

[Desmond]

@ Mikhail and Angry

Indeed!

Thats why i said earlier that the bible, for me personally, i just a confirmation. Its not my reference point.

Thats why i said:

Go to Sudan en de South of Egypt. The reference point is right here under our nose. A lot of the buildings are under the sea(Aswan dam) but a lot of Ancient city's are still visible. And you dont wanna know what hides under the Sudan desert :)

There isnt more evidence than Sudan nowadays. A whole lot of the Nubia empire is still visible. There are 5000 BC buidlings overthere. Search for Napata en Meroe.

Ow man i have no agenda. That was just stuff i heard and wanted to check it. Just to get it straight, im white. Im from Holland tho.

[Astarel Rose]

I would like to add that one of the oldest civilization recorded is from Persia and dates back to before 5000bc and Asia 7000bc and Europe dates back even further to 7000BC and fossils being found from over 150,000 years ago with Neanderthal man (named after Neander Valley in Germany). I don't know what your problem is but you are making Africa look petty with your silly comments. I actually don't care where we started from as we are one race not different colours. I'd stop listening to these people next thing you'll say is you'll believe that nonsense of africum and hydrogen. Please don't insult our intelligence and stop insulting African History. Except their place in history and leave it at that I have no idea what you are trying to accomplish. If you want to be petty you only need to look at what happens when a white person stays out in the sun they get darker due to the suns rays and you could say that is what happened to Africans and in fact we are all pink on the inside so in theory we are all pink. Its just the sun that colours the skin. See how easy it it to reverse what you said just by changing a point of view. You need to watch a great documentary called The Story of Earth shows you how Earth came about. How man started. You sound arrogant if you can't accept fact over fiction. Until I see the proof I will stick with what we have been shown and unearthed. Thats another thing the word black is incorrect for the skin colour as it is in fact mainly brown a rich chocolate brown. Its science and fact that the skin darkens in heat and is only right that those that stayed in Africa during the migration of Neanderthals would be dark coloured to protect them from the suns heat and harmful rays. Stop stirring the pot.

[Thanatos]

@ Thanatos

Your link is incorrect. Sumerians(Uruks) dates back to around 3000 BC, Nubia is way older than that, aprox 5000 BC. From Nubia they traveled up north to Mesopotamie(which is around Iraq). And by the way, life started at the hottest spot, closely to the equator. So it dont make any sense if it started in Mesopotamie and that they did travel nearer the equator. Its vice versa.

I'm just posting the archaeological consensus. Sumerians go back to about 5300 BC. Domesticated strains of plants go back to about 10,000 BC.

And what's this about life starting at the hottest spot?

(issue making me nervous, involves both race and religion, should probably stop but whatever)

Get your facts straight my lord.

I'm not really your internet lord. I'm more like an unpaid janitor. Unless you violate the rules repeatedly, I cannot lock you out of the building. If you do break a rule the first action we usually take is roughly equivalent to a stern lecture and brandishing a dirty mop in a threatening manner.

[Desmond]

@ Astarel Rose

Sorry, i cant take you serious with your persian civilization. If you wanna believe that, be my guest. I respect that.

I'm just posting the archaeological consensus. Sumerians go back to about 5300 BC. Domesticated strains of plants go back to about 10,000 BC.

Sumerians dont go back till 5000 BC. These are your facts, not mines my lord.But i respect your opinion.

[Judicator]

The Bible was written circa 1000 BC, at least the Old Testament stuff. That's many thousands of years after the first civilization. It is thus not a reliable source for information. Not to mention there's the whole talking snakes, people living to 900 years, gods dying on crosses, and other ridiculousness that drive its credibility into the ground.

Yeah I've always wondered about that. Why don't people live to 900 anymore?

[seyorni]

@ SeyorniWell, lets just keep it simple my friend, caus it is.

A civilization is an advanced state of intellectual, cultural, and material development in human society. Just like Nubia/Kush was.

This was my point. These have little to do with "civilization," as anthropoligists understand it.

Because a lot of people(incl some archeologists ect) dont like it that first human history is black history, thats why. The bible, for example, is black history written down. They try to hide en deny it. Just like they did in slavery times with the whole christian mindset concept and the white Jesus pictures. Thats why i stand on Nubia/Kush and not Mesepotamia, caus thats simply not true. Nubia is way older.

Truth needs to be told, so...See?

Isn't the Bible mostly Semitic history? The Israelites, Arabs and Lower (northern) Egyptians were mostly semitic, weren't they?

I'm not sure what's meant by "black" history. By black, do you mean Negro, or dark-skinned?
Not all swarthy people are Negroid.. Caucasians, for example, have the curious distinction of being both the lightest and darkest skinned racial group.

[Desmond]

No. Ethiopia got one of the oldest and most complete version of the bible. All the books are still present. Coincidence in the Nubia/Kush/Ethiopian context? Guess not.

Thats thrue. But by black i mean dark-skinned with african features.

[BlackSheep]

Based on your definition the oldest "civilization" would be Damascus or Jericho. Both have evidence of being settled over 10,000 years ago.

To be honest I could care less what race "began" civilization, but I am concerned that you are so positive it was black People.

Thats thrue. But by black i mean dark-skinned with african features.

I assume by African features you mean sub-Saharan Africa? You are speaking of the group sometimes refereed to as Negroids as opposed to Caucasoids who currently inhabit the extreme north of Africa?

[Desmond]

@ Black sheep and all

No i mean Negroid black. Out of blackness was born the light. Black is absorbtion to all light an color. Black is the color or our solar system, black is the color of the whole universe.

Life started very close to the equator. So my truth is black man(African) started civilization. And scientists prove that over and over again. Some just dont believe it of just dont wanna accept because of history.

I dont have an hidden agenda or some. Like i said, im white myself. But i find it strange that a lot of things about blacks are disclosed from the world. Why isnt slavery in our history books in school? Here in Holland(Holland did play a huge roll in slave trade) you get nothing on that subject. Maybe a tiny story. More Africans died than Jews died in the 2nd world war man. Biggest mass murder is human history.

Black inventors arent named anywhere in the books, only the whites. A black man did invent the stoplight, floppy disk and a whole bunch of other inportant things, but only whites get credit when they invent something. I find it unfair.

And i really thank black man started civilization. Scientist who dont acknowledge or admit have a secret agenda i guess..lol..not me.

Blessed love to all!

[BlackSheep]

No i mean Negroid black. Out of blackness was born the light. Black is absorbtion to all light an color. Black is the color or our solar system, black is the color of the whole universe.

Thanks, am glad you clarified the race part.

What is the rest of this mean? It certainly has no bearing on this discussion that I can see.

Life started very close to the equator. So my truth is black man(African) started civilization. And scientists prove that over and over again. Some just dont believe it of just dont wanna accept because of history.

We don't know where life began nor do I see any bearing on this discussion and certainly has no bearing on where civilization began.

What proves this?

I dont have an hidden agenda or some. Like i said, im white myself. But i find it strange that a lot of things about blacks are disclosed from the world. Why isnt slavery in our history books in school? Here in Holland(Holland did play a huge roll in slave trade) you get nothing on that subject. Maybe a tiny story. More Africans died than Jews died in the 2nd world war man. Biggest mass murder is human history.

Slavery is in all the history books I have seen, but I don't live in Holland - that would be politics more than anything. Another thing rarely mentioned is that the first step in black slavery was generally black men capturing black men to sell to white men.

Can you provide a source for the statement you made "More Africans died than Jews died in the 2nd world war".

Black inventors arent named anywhere in the books, only the whites. A black man did invent the stoplight, floppy disk and a whole bunch of other inportant things, but only whites get credit when they invent something. I find it unfair.

Many times the wrong inventor is credited for things and sadly often it would be the white person. Also even if the black person is credited we don't know they are black and often wrongly assume they are white.

And i really thank black man started civilization. Scientist who dont acknowledge or admit have a secret agenda i guess..lol..not me.

The fact you really think it, is meaningless in this discussion.

You also ignored the point about the two oldest towns.

[Desmond]

What is the rest of this mean? It certainly has no bearing on this discussion that I can see.

I told the reason already my friend. Just read me last reply.

We don't know where life began nor do I see any bearing on this discussion and certainly has no bearing on where civilization began.

Maybe you dont, but i do.

Another thing rarely mentioned is that the first step in black slavery was generally black men capturing black men to sell to white men.

True, i know this, but translantic slave trade was on a whole other horrific level.

Can you provide a source for the statement you made "More Africans died than Jews died in the 2nd world war".

Didnt you know this? Yes this is really true. Im gonna see if i can find some on the net for you.

Many times the wrong inventor is credited for things and sadly often it would be the white person. Also even if the black person is credited we don't know they are black and often wrongly assume they are white.

Yes my lord. Truth!

The fact you really think it, is meaningless in this discussion.

Maybe for you, but not for me.

About the two oldest town? I just dont believe it! Simple.