Did the white man evolve from black Africans?

[seyorni]

Give thanks!



This is not true. Ethiopia(Nubia/Kush) is. Back than it wasnt called Africa but Nubia/Kush. Most archeoligists agree. Even the old Greeks like Herodotus, Plato, Pliny and couple more wrote about the Ethiopians. They traveled to the south first and saw a thousands of years old civilization. Please research.

Here some nice vids:

YouTube - 1 of 6 Africa Black Kingdoms of the Nile

YouTube - WHO ARE THE NUBIAN? HERE'S YOUR ANSWER!

Read here: The "Ethiopians" According to Diodorus Siculus



Like i said, its called Nubia/Kush.

I think people did travel from Africa regions to colder en less colder regions. To regions with less(hours) and weaker sun beam. This is where the complexion gets paler and paler. I guess.

@ Nott

No, not religion, strictly scientific i mean.

@ Seyorni

Give thanks.

Here you can see the melanin thing: YouTube - Melanin (God's dust) Pt.1 of 3

I cant find the video on youtube about the sperm thing, but i think indeed it is nonsense. Same about the pineal gland.

I think these people have a lot of scares(slavery) in their heart, thats why they are on some black supremacy tip. I can really see and feel where they comming from tho, really, but this is crap i think.

Love!

There is a difference between a kingdom and a civilization, Desmond, and Egypt wasn't a Nubian society, though Nubians weren't uncommon there, particularly in the South.

There's a difference between melanin and melatonin as well. Melanin is a pigment produced in the skin which blocks sunlight. Melatonin is the pineal hormone, and it regulates sleep-wake cycles.

Melanin is crucial if you live in a sunny, tropical climate and wear few clothes. Too much solar radiation is dangerous. But if you're a 500,000 year old human living in a cold temperate region dark skin (melanin) can be a liability. It can lead to a dangerous vitamin-D deficiency.

[Thanatos]

Where does this guy fit in?

Homo erectus pekinensis - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia

Hominid paleontology isn't an exact science because all the skeletons kind of run together, but H. erectus seems to be at the root of the other later hominids - including the one that went on to invent internet. They fanned out across the globe and diversified.

The ones that stayed in Africa became humans. We, err, displaced all the other descendants of H. erectus we came across as we conquered the globe. Mostly it was that we outcompeted them for resources and proved better at coping with global warming, but you also find some Neanderthal skeletons with human-made arrowheads stuck in their backs.

The original humans were probably pretty dark-skinned. Africa was a sunny place and so far it looks like that's where we're from. Don't try to make too much political and social hay out of it or science nerds will look at you funny.

After conquering the planet, humans retired to hunt and gather in (relative) peace for 20,000 years. Agriculture was invented in the Middle East about 10,000 years ago and large city-states started appearing around 7,000 years ago. The Sumerians were the first but the Egyptians and the Nubians weren't far behind.

Earliest Urbanisation: the First 10 Cities of the World | Heritage Key

[Angry Citizen]

A quibble: To state that any civilization is 'the first' requires a history of humanity that is more complete than the one we have now. All we can say is that the Sumerian civilization is the first documented civilization.

Anguspure: The Noah's Ark story is a fairy tale. I hope you understand this. It is depressing how many people still believe in Biblical literalism. Please come back to reality. I assure you, it's not as scary as you might think.

[Desmond]

@ Seyorni

Where there's a Kingdom there's a civilization. So.

I know brother, i was talking about melanin. Give thanks.

@ Thanatos

Your link is incorrect. Sumerians(Uruks) dates back to around 3000 BC, Nubia is way older than that, aprox 5000 BC. From Nubia they traveled up north to Mesopotamie(which is around Iraq). And by the way, life started at the hottest spot, closely to the equator. So it dont make any sense if it started in Mesopotamie and that they did travel nearer the equator. Its vice versa.

Get your facts straight my lord.

@ Angry

To state that any civilization is 'the first' requires a history of humanity that is more complete than the one we have now. All we can say is that the Sumerian civilization is the first documented civilization

More complete than we have now? I def dont agree. That's bullshit friend. A civilization is a civilization, whether its more or less advanced.

Sumerian the first documented? Do you live in a cave my lord?

Do some research on Nubia and Kush and you find out.

Love!

[seyorni]

This is beginning to remind me of the 'theory' misunderstanding in evolution discussions.

How are you defining 'civilization', Desmond, if I may ask?

I think some of the misunderstanding here lies in a technical, ie: anthropological definition, vs a colloquial usage.

[Mikhail]

This is my first post, so apologies if I'm out of line putting it in an on-going debate. If there is an introduction thread or something, can someone point me to it?

Desmond, I'm trying to figure out why it matters to you so much that Nubia is aknowledged as the "first" civilisation. Ancient history is not my specialty, but there seems to be plenty of evidence that many "civilisations" in the organised sense of the word developed around the same time and that there was plenty of civilisation in the "not living in trees" sense of the word before that.

[Desmond]

@ Seyorni

Well, lets just keep it simple my friend, caus it is.

A civilization is an advanced state of intellectual, cultural, and material development in human society. Just like Nubia/Kush was.

@ Mikhail

Because a lot of people(incl some archeologists ect) dont like it that first human history is black history, thats why. The bible, for example, is black history written down. They try to hide en deny it. Just like they did in slavery times with the whole christian mindset concept and the white Jesus pictures. Thats why i stand on Nubia/Kush and not Mesepotamia, caus thats simply not true. Nubia is way older.

Truth needs to be told, so...See?

[Mikhail]

Well if you want to get technical, the bible is "brown" history written down since it is primarily about aramaic people. Even that statement is not really meaningful since there are no pantone colour codes mentioned in the bible. They might have been brown, they might have been tan, a few of the ones that worked out in the sun might have been darker than that even.

Describing history as one colour or another is not meaningful and is certainly not helpful in understanding it better. And I certainly don't think there is a Sumerian conspiracy to usurp nubia as the cradle of civilisation.

[Desmond]

Well, im not make it an issue. I also dont try to convince people. I mean, theres only ONE race and that is the human race and we have to do it together. I love all my peoples. Let that be clear. But truth is truth. Egypt and Ethiopia(Kush) is clearly mentioned in de Bible for example. Nubia/Kush/Ethiopia(not the land we know today) consisted of almost the whole African continent.


No color codes, well...this is clear to me:

I am black, but comely (beautiful), O ye daughters of Jerusalem,
as the tents of Kedar, as the curtains of Solomon."
~Song of Solomon 1:5~

Or

Song of Solomon 5:11

His head is [as] the most fine gold; His locks are bushy, [and] black as a raven.

But the Bible is just a confirmation. Go to Sudan en de South of Egypt. A lot of the buildings are under the sea(Aswan dam) but a lot of Ancient city's are still visible. And you dont wanna know what hides under the Sudan desert :)

Go ask Aristotle, go ask Plato
Who built Jerusalem?
Go ask Pliny, go ask Plutarch
Who built Jerusalem?
Go ask Herodotus and Theognis and Tacticus
Who built Jerusalem?
Ethiopia Built Jerusalem

Listen closely to this man. And 'Beta Israel' are the black(Ethiopian,original) Jews, before scattered all over the world and became all colors of the rainbow.

YouTube - Midnite 'Beta Israel-Who built Jerusalem' Masonic Center Mill Valley California February 5 2010

Love!

[Mikhail]

Yes, truth is truth because....well it's truth isn't it? If it wasn't truth it wouldn't be truth, so it must be truth. However history is open to interpretation.

My copy of the bible(NIV) says "I am Dark" not "I am Black" and since it's also a translation of a poem, it's probably not to be taken too literally either.

The very first thing I was taught at university was not to trust wikipedia , but for the purposes of internet debate I think it's sufficient. I can't see any mention of ethiopia or nubia in Jerusalem's article.

I always consider it wise to take my history from the collected works of respectable scholars, not from videos on youtube.

[Desmond]

My copy of the bible(NIV) says "I am Dark" not "I am Black" and since it's also a translation of a poem, it's probably not to be taken too literally either.

Ow so we have to debate on black and dark now. Well, for me its the same brother, although i know you have lightdark en pitchblack(afro). Im talking about pretty dark here. And when i look at all the Ancient architectures(statues) from that time, i see a lot of flatnoses and thick lips. So pichblacks was present anyway.

The very first thing I was taught at university was not to trust wikipedia , but for the purposes of internet debate I think it's sufficient. I can't see any mention of ethiopia or nubia in Jerusalem's article.

Good one! Not everything is acurate indeed.

No? You dont search good enough my lord. :)

I always consider it wise to take my history from the collected works of respectable scholars, not from videos on youtube.

Well, partly your right. But you have some really good video's on youtube, based on true research.

This man is called Vaughn Benjamin, leadsinger of the band Midnite. He's one of the most respected Rastashaman in these times. But i understand you wont take it from him.

What about Plato? Herodotus? Diodorus? Will you take it from them?

There a thousands of archealogists and scientists who admit that this is fact.

You really have to do some serious research my lord. I can type and post for days, but you have to find your own truth, seen? Again, im not trying to convince you.

[Mikhail]

My comment about the differences in our bibles was not about the true shade of Solomon's skin, it was about how pointless it is to take any ancient text literally and without context.

I think this thread and all it's wild speculation about white men evolving from black men combined with your other thread about evolution being a weakening of the original make it pretty clear you have an agenda and that trying to debate with you is pretty pointless. So I will bow out of this one.