Then guide them and quit beating around the bush. If you insist on using those lame modifiers, in your habitual fashion "...really true religion..." and cannot catch yourself doing so for Christ sake give the distinction at some time or other. Refer to the two ways that Cain and Abel worshiped God and why one was true and the other really true, give the consequences of each as the moral of that story since it embodies, as it does in other stories in the Bible, of the distinction between true religion and religion. I'm not liking stripping you bare so you can see your nakedness. That Adam/Eve chimera had similar issues. Once its/their eyes were opened it/they freaked big time, felt the heat, and had to hot foot it out of their home before they/it really got in trouble with that map to the rear entrance. Once out that East entrance it was like that old Maine saying, "You can't get there from here." They left the maps to the other entrances and couldn't get back in the way they came. Have you seen that map?
regarding your last sentence, you have to look at the LEADER (e.g. bin laden, Hitler) of the religious movements morals to be able to understand if it's really true religion
behind it or just a crazy corrupt powerful manipulating leader using religion as a lure to brainwash. religion does not have anything to do with that. if we take a look at the bible really close and separate the good and the bad, we will see that there is more good than bad. and that is what one needs to pay real close attention to. just because it may be 99.9% moral, does not mean the bible teaches immorality. just because someone sees an immoral paragraph in the bible, does not make the whole bible moot. the goal is not to see the bible as 100% true, but to see only the good. same with the bible, same with science. same with morals and everything else.
nobody ever said that all priests are moral. sure, there is good and there is evil. those priests need to pay and will pay for their sins though. this just reminds me, again, that people make things too complicated or that they don't know what to do. this also reminds me how humans are social animals and they need a "leader" to show them the way. and this is also why a lot of them fall under corruption. in this sense, i guess people need to be guided.... what god tries to do. but that is another issue.
That one. The act of raping is immoral.
you seem to be jumping from subject to subject like a grasshopper looking for food. of course, my main point to what you replied to was that a rapist has no morals. so if i admit that a raping priest has no morals, what then? are you going to say something else about "religion?" or are you going to admit that raping is immoral?
So??? When it comes to using the quote button and capitalizing, you haven't done so either.
but remember, i am waiting for you to prove that a raper has morals. to this point, you haven't done so.
John Wayne Gacy was a serial raper and murderer. Yet he did moral acts. So many and so evidently moral he was honored by a photo set with the First Lady. I'll not prove anything. I might persuade and that's it. I do not know what is going on with those serial killers and rapists. I do know they can do acts that are considered moral. Doesn't everybody commit moral and immoral acts? I can't answer your question about rapists morality but to say I judge actions and if such as they cannot control their actions enough to mind their own business then to hell with them after due process.
Morality. I'd rather not even use the word or its cousins. Though I am curious of what Brown says about those universals that involve morality.
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Sigmund Freud is your familiar now? Do you know how little science... none... is in psychology? At least use Jungian terms.
you like speaking for others don't you? also, WTF does traveling to brutal areas of Africa or becoming a priest have to do with what you said? dude, you make it seem like you have no choice even if you where to move to brutal areas or if you were to become a priest (though that makes sense why you say what you say, subconsciously). that says a lot about your morals though.
Have you never heard the phrase, "When in Rome, do as the Romans do."? Or are you of the ilk advocating that dying for Jesus is the highest moral act imaginable?
I've had my dry spells in the past.You?
so you are telling me that it is very hard to find a female that would want to sleep with you?
Now you tell me. What if I paid? That too?? Don't tell me then, if it is. "I ever tell you about when I lost my virginity? Well, wouldn't you know, her mother caught us. Didn't say much though, just went back to eatin' hay." Personally I think you're being a wet blanket on this part. You know Onan of the Bible invented masturbation? Wow. Invented it. Can you imagine the royalties that he's knocked out? Why I know I alone must have put his kids thru college.
you don't need to rape, only immoral losers do. e.g. just go out on a blind date to a club with snooky, or the like, and there you go. that is immoral to do though.
Lordy what is it about preaching that brings the women flocking to get laid by a man of God. I thank the Lord for causing me to leave that line of work before things got REAL complicated.
not to mention the very high risk of getting gonorrhea (or other STD's). there are many females who are willing, it depends on your competence though. to rape is immoral, end of story.
No. Just said they are both sourced on their own definitions and necessities like yours and mine.
here we go again. look at my first answer above. can't you also see that you are contradicting yourself too. did not you say that rapers have same morals as non-rapers?
The Lord told me it was a gift and to use it with caution. Lord knows I try. I don't know. Been my theme since we started jawing. Don't see how you can know either unless you're a rapist and I don't think you are but lots of folk have been fooled. Anybody can be fooled and that means me too.
how do you know if a raper has morals or not when you are saying the following "Unless I was the rapist I'd have no way to tell the raper's thoughts."?
you seem to be used to jumping from one subject to the next. is this an atheist thing or are you just confused?
I don't know what is on a raper's mind. Wanna' hear it again? If you have so much insight as to what a rapist is about, then go out and stop the bastards. I don't know what is on a priest's mind that makes him rape either and I don't intend celibacy as I think it not only immoral as a requirement to being a priest but may very well be a direct cause of those who so abused the young.
I give you points when you make them with some validity but in general you're lacking clarity of your own position and its Biblical source, if indeed that is your source. Thanks for the comparison to children. God bless you in all your endeavors.
it seems like your entertainment is just debating for the sake of debating. have fun.
this is my last response here...or more precisely, towards you. just wasting time here. i could go do something more productive than to be entertaining someone childish.
1 At about the same time, the disciples came to Jesus asking, "Who gets the highest rank in God's kingdom?"
2-5For an answer Jesus called over a child, whom he stood in the middle of the room, and said, "I'm telling you, once and for all, that unless you return to square one and start over like children, you're not even going to get a look at the kingdom, let alone get in. Whoever becomes simple and elemental again, like this child, will rank high in God's kingdom. What's more, when you receive the childlike on my account, it's the same as receiving me. 6-7"But if you give them a hard time, bullying or taking advantage of their simple trust, you'll soon wish you hadn't. You'd be better off dropped in the middle of the lake with a millstone around your neck. Doom to the world for giving these God-believing children a hard time! Hard times are inevitable, but you don't have to make it worse—and it's doomsday to you if you do.