The Problem With Islam

[Peter]

If they do, then refuse to share their beds and hit them "without indecent violence"[ fadribuhunna darban ghayra mubarrih ].

Thank you for being honest but it's as I thought. You pulled the light tap out of nothing. Indecent plainly means excessive. What's excessive? Who knows, it seems that's left up to the beater. You want it to mean a light tap because that makes you feel better about your chosen religion. What else do you make up about the teachings of islam to make it more palatable for you?

Your religion is no better than christianity a thousand years ago and that's not surprising since it's a direct knock off.

[Peter]

Assuming the translation is accurate, it is clear that the hit is not to be indecent violence. What is 'indecent' to a 7th century warlord in Arabia?

Beheading maybe? I suppose it depends on the offense and how pissed off the beater is.

[Angry Citizen]

Response: From your responses thus far, you would be more fitting to know the mindset of a 7th century warlord in Arabia than I.

Yes, between he who wouldn't hit his children or his wife for any reason whatsoever and he whose religion specifically condones it, I am the 7th century Arabian warlord

[Peter]

Thus it is clear that the hit is not to be violent. As for how it corrects behavior, the answer is plainly obvious. For no human being would subject themselves to constantly being tapped. So naturally, if the woman does not want to divorce, such tapping would highly influence her to change her bad behavior.

Thus the proof is presented. So your inability to show injustice in the discipline prescribed in Islam but defame it anyway is a reflection of your degrading ideology, not Islam.

So in islam tapping a woman is equivalent to threatening her with divorce. I though you said that the tap was not painful physically or emotionally. Clearly, if the "hit" is intended to correct some behavior it must cause physical or psychological pain and you have just confirmed that. How many sides of your mouth can you speak out of simultaneously?

Thus no proof is presented and the injustice of the discipline prescribed in islam is evident to the most casual observer. To hit means to strike physically with the only limitation that it not be indecently excessive. The beater gets to determine what's indecently excessive.

Can a woman strike a man if he commits a "manifest indecency"?

[arX]

For no human being would subject themselves to constantly being tapped. So naturally, if the woman does not want to divorce, such tapping would highly influence her to change her bad behavior.

I love the fact that this was typed up with a straight face.

[Fatihah]

Thank you for being honest but it's as I thought. You pulled the light tap out of nothing. Indecent plainly means excessive. What's excessive? Who knows, it seems that's left up to the beater. You want it to mean a light tap because that makes you feel better about your chosen religion. What else do you make up about the teachings of islam to make it more palatable for you?

Your religion is no better than christianity a thousand years ago and that's not surprising since it's a direct knock off.

Response: Thank you for once again showing how desperate and absurd you'll get to shine forth your trifling ideology. For starters, indecent does not even mean excessive. It means improper, immoral, not of good standards, etc. Proven by any dictionary. Thus your bogus rebuttal proves nothing. So what else do you need to make up to defend your inhumane ideology and try to steer others from the fact that Islam only condones light hitting? The only type of hitting that can be even considered anything but improper and immoral is a light tap. To suggest otherwise is once again a reflection of your degrading ideology, not Islam.

But do keep it up. Please. Keep posting such nonsensical rebuttals. As it helps to further shine light to the fact that Islam is a peaceful and just religion while it's non-Muslim ideologies like yours which have no place in any civilized society.

[Fatihah]

So in islam tapping a woman is equivalent to threatening her with divorce. I though you said that the tap was not painful physically or emotionally. Clearly, if the "hit" is intended to correct some behavior it must cause physical or psychological pain and you have just confirmed that. How many sides of your mouth can you speak out of simultaneously?

Thus no proof is presented and the injustice of the discipline prescribed in islam is evident to the most casual observer. To hit means to strike physically with the only limitation that it not be indecently excessive. The beater gets to determine what's indecently excessive.

Can a woman strike a man if he commits a "manifest indecency"?

Response: Yet you can quote anything from the qur'an or sunnah which states that the beater gets to determine what's indecent excessive, thus we read another of your bogus interpolations to try to disguise us from the fact Islam is just, while it's your ideology that's a disgrace. I would like to know, since your ideology clearly has something against treating women with decency, does it at least teach basic types of decency, like not lying and stealing, etc? Or is that an act of honor in your ideology as well?

By the way, a woman can strike a man if he commits a manifest indecency, but it is not prescribed in Islam, for such a law would likely have no affect on a man and Allah does not prescribe pointless laws. Men by nature are physically stronger and not as sensitive as women. A man can easily prevent a woman from hitting him. Try asking a question with intelligence next time.

[Fatihah]

I love the fact that this was typed up with a straight face.

Response: Then you should really be amused by how you managed to type your response above with an even straighter face.

[Dave In Canada]

As it helps to further shine light to the fact that Islam is a peaceful and just religion while it's non-Muslim ideologies like yours which have no place in any civilized society.

Yes, living in caves and murdering women on a soccer field full of spectators is indeed civilized.

[Primum non nocere]

@Fatihah

Putting aside whether or not a man "tapping" a woman for certain behaviors is physically excessive, there is no question that it is both demeaning and extremely dominative.

I see know no compelling reason to accept an ideology that places men and women on unequal footing. Why should ANY of us have tolerance for discrimination simply because it is cloaked within religious doctrine?

[Fatihah]

@Fatihah

Putting aside whether or not a man "tapping" a woman for certain behaviors is physically excessive, there is no question that it is both demeaning and extremely dominative.

I see know no compelling reason to accept an ideology that places men and women on unequal footing. Why should ANY of us have tolerance for discrimination simply because it is cloaked within religious doctrine?

Response: Clearly, domination and demeaning behavior can not derive from someone tapping someone, as domination requires force which a tap is not and demeaning behavior would be slanderous behavior which a tap is not. Thus you suggesting otherwise would make your logic demeaning and improper, not Islam. Thus the question would be as to why do you condemn and slander proper justice, the kind that leaves no pain or scars? Condemning light hitting shows favor to abusive hitting, thus it is your ideology which is intolerant, not Islam.

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Thus the question would be as to why do you condemn and slander proper justice, the kind that leaves no pain or scars?

I'll type this very clearly. It is not a husband's right to deliver justice upon his wife. They are both adults, he cannot discipline her any more than he could a co-worker.