The Problem With Islam

[Fatihah]

Here it says that they have increased wrong doing, but who do they do wrong to? Does Allah protect them from that believe from them? When one does wrong in the eyes of society it is unto a victim, so if there is more wrong doing done innocents are surely harmed, yes?

Response: The qur'an is not a story book. Thus it does not spell out every detail, for every detail is not necessary when delivering a message. The message is that those people who are deceitful and case disorder in the world will be punished. The ones they do wrong are the people they deceive in the name of Islam and cause disorder in the world with, clearly stated through verses 8-12 of chapter 2. And nothing of the verse or the qur'an states that innocent people are harmed.

[Charlatan]

Response: The qur'an is not a story book. Thus it does not spell out every detail, for every detail is not necessary when delivering a message. The message is that those people who are deceitful and case disorder in the world will be punished. The ones they do wrong are the people they deceive in the name of Islam and cause disorder in the world with, clearly stated through verses 8-12 of chapter 2. And nothing of the verse or the qur'an states that innocent people are harmed.

I never said nor misquoted. I simply made observations based on what it says.

[Fatihah]

Allah doesn't seem to be forgiving. He makes men blind to Him to make it hard to embrace Him. Why?

Why does Allah constantly set about to misguide people? It says that a lamb that strays is now dead? Is it that the followers should not try to bring them back? Why does Allah, or, more specifically, the kuran not say that they should petition these people and try to bring them back onto the 'right road'? Then all of a sudden He forgives Adam. So what do you do, look for forgiveness when you are blind? How does Allah show you that you need to be looking for repentance, except if He allows you to. If they were to be blind, then only Allah can restore thier sight, and therefore he chooses whom to show. This means that Allah loves some over others, and that He is not all loving, yes?

And then there is the account of the Jews, seeking knowledge of the scriptures of Allah, so they may dispute it. This is because they want to be right too, so patience is better than... whatever else is suggested, yes?

Then, contrary to what leaders say today, chapter two verse fourty eight clearly states that no blood is to be shed. If later Allah says that some blood should be shed for Him, then he is greedy for admiration, as a woman sitting back and letting thier husbands protect them, yes?

These travles remind me of the crucifixion! To atone you should travel to Mecca, it says, once or more times, but this is a mere act on earth. Travelling is not holy, they would be wasting time they could be praying. To gather for a mass prayer means they would like to be together with others as they look for forgiveness, but, what does that mean to Allah? This is another spectacle surely, like a posturing by the people for the Lord, and this means that Allah is greedy for submission. To let your children free to worship you when they can comfortably would be more sensible - even what great man demands that his people march for him? How about that North Korean Prime minister Kim the second? Then take Mohammed, clearly there is something between them, that one indulges and Mohammed did not make his followers bend to him but rather to Allah, but, that makes the slave guiltless and the master a terrorist, yes?

This uncovering of the covenant it says in book two of the Kuran is still not found. What they have found did not come in a wooden box, so, unless there is some secret society that is hiding the covenant, then it simply does not exist.

Well I am done for now. Get back to you soon!

Response: Each chapter of the qur'an, except chapter 9, begins by stating that Allah is the most gracious and most merciful so Allah is very forgiving. However, it is quite odd that when each verse speaks of people being deceitful and causing disorder in the name of Islam and rejecting Allah and His signs that you have nothing to say to this, but would rather ask the question of why Allah makes people blind, making it hard for them to embrace Him. As the context shows, they make themselves difficult to embrace Allah by rejecting Allah and causing disorder. Thus in order for Allah to forgive them, they must first forgive. Naturally, one who chooses not to forgive will not be guided, consequently making themselves blind. Since Allah is the creator of man and the law, it is within this context in which Allah makes you blind. For the law is for the person to repent in order to be forgiven and guided. Thus naturally, those who do not will be blind to the rewards of Allah. Allah misguided no one. People misguided themselves.

Secondly, there is no verse in the qur'an which states that atonement comes from traveling to Mecca. As for the Jews, many during the time of the prophet were loving caring people who helped the Muslims while some were not. To each, they will be rewarded according to their deeds.

[brendand]

Response: Still trying for another strawman. The topic was never about how many people were killed in the name of sports vs. the name of Islam, thus your point is irrelevant.

The fact of the matter is that you still advocate the most inhumane of ideas, suggesting that hitting which causes no pain or scars is unjust and should be punished while hitting which causes injury and death in some cases is o.k. It's a clear disgrace in which no reasonable and moral person would coincide with.How fortunate we are that your ideology does not govern any land. Islam provides a sort of discipline which causes no pain or injury, confirming that it is a peaceful religion while your ideology consists of punishing those who commit no physical pain or injury while allowing people who hurt, injure and cause death to others to live without any consequences for such acts. We don't have to look far from your direction to find the scum of the earth.

This is the stupidest thing I have ever heard. Have fun wife-beating and reading your fairy tales.

[Fatihah]

I never said nor misquoted. I simply made observations based on what it says.

Response: I never accused you of misquoting and simply explained what the verses mean.

[Charlatan]

Response: Each chapter of the qur'an, except chapter 9, begins by stating that Allah is the most gracious and most merciful so Allah is very forgiving. However, it is quite odd that when each verse speaks of people being deceitful and causing disorder in the name of Islam and rejecting Allah and His signs that you have nothing to say to this, but would rather ask the question of why Allah makes people blind, making it hard for them to embrace Him. As the context shows, they make themselves difficult to embrace Allah by rejecting Allah and causing disorder. Thus in order for Allah to forgive them, they must first forgive. Naturally, one who chooses not to forgive will not be guided, consequently making themselves blind. Since Allah is the creator of man and the law, it is within this context in which Allah makes you blind. For the law is for the person to repent in order to be forgiven and guided. Thus naturally, those who do not will be blind to the rewards of Allah. Allah misguided no one. People misguided themselves.

Secondly, there is no verse in the qur'an which states that atonement comes from traveling to Mecca. As for the Jews, many during the time of the prophet were loving caring people who helped the Muslims while some were not. To each, they will be rewarded according to their deeds.

Okay. I will ask more questions later. Have a nice day. You must be a true believer, yes?

[Fatihah]

This is the stupidest thing I have ever heard. Have fun wife-beating and reading your fairy tales.

Response: Likewise.

[Fatihah]

Okay. I will ask more questions later. Have a nice day. You must be a true believer, yes?

Response: Yes. I am a true believer. Likewise, have a nice day as well.

[Peter]

However, in a relationship in which divorce is actually more harmful to the family, then I would probably enforce a light tap to my wife to correct her behavior and save my marriage. Hitting lightly is also prescribed as the last resort, when talking and counseling does not work.

How does "hitting lightly" correct behavior if, as you say, it's painless physically and emotionally?

Your inability to produce any evidence that islamic teaching is to "hit lightly" means you're just pulling that out of your ass. Since you're such a stickler for what the writings say, I want to see a definition of hitting as a "light tap which causes no pain or mental anguish" from the quran or from the myriad interpretatons of it.

[Fatihah]

How does "hitting lightly" correct behavior if, as you say, it's painless physically and emotionally?

Your inability to produce any evidence that islamic teaching is to "hit lightly" means you're just pulling that out of your ass. Since you're such a stickler for what the writings say, I want to see a definition of hitting as a "light tap which causes no pain or mental anguish" from the quran or from the myriad interpretatons of it.

Response: The laws of Islam derive from the qur'an and the sunnah, thus it is the sunnah which explains that the hit should be a light tap which leaves no pain or scars. The prophet has stated so on several occasions. In his farewell speech, he states the following:

"My last recommendation to you is that you should treat women well. Truly they are your helpmates, and you have no right over them beyond that - "except if they commit a manifest indecency" [ fahisha mubina ]. If they do, then refuse to share their beds and hit them "without indecent violence"[ fadribuhunna darban ghayra mubarrih ]. Then, if they desist, do not show them hostility any longer. Lo! you have a right over your women and they have a right over you. Your right over your women is that they not allow whom you hate to enter your bed nor your house. While their right over you is that you treat them excellently in their garb and provision.....Then he took the covenant from them and from us that they and we all heard and understood this from him, respectively, directly and indirectly, with his forefinger raised, and said: "O Allah! bear witness."  (Saheeh Muslim, Book of Pilgrimage)"

Thus it is clear that the hit is not to be violent. As for how it corrects behavior, the answer is plainly obvious. For no human being would subject themselves to constantly being tapped. So naturally, if the woman does not want to divorce, such tapping would highly influence her to change her bad behavior.

Thus the proof is presented. So your inability to show injustice in the discipline prescribed in Islam but defame it anyway is a reflection of your degrading ideology, not Islam.

[Angry Citizen]

Thus it is clear that the hit is not to be violent.

Assuming the translation is accurate, it is clear that the hit is not to be indecent violence. What is 'indecent' to a 7th century warlord in Arabia?

[Fatihah]

Assuming the translation is accurate, it is clear that the hit is not to be indecent violence. What is 'indecent' to a 7th century warlord in Arabia?

Response: From your responses thus far, you would be more fitting to know the mindset of a 7th century warlord in Arabia than I.