People Die equal HAPPY!

[Eliza]

I am always so wondrous about Christians being sad when people die, it makes no sense. They show not only sadness but seem to have not wanted the people to die in the first place. For example, if a plane crashes killing all the people inside, shouldn't any Christian celebrate this event? These lucky people that died are now in Heaven and this usless period we call living is over, they should be joyous....

But they show/are the opposite, for some strange reason...

As some of you may know, Religious people are some of the most terrified people of death (natural or not). Every single statistics and research in this have shown that people that are especially highly religious/fundamental, are also terrified of their oncoming death, which is strange if you would be a Christian or Muslim I would say.

A Christian needs to accept Jesus Christ as their Saviour and they will get into Heaven. It does not matter what you do or done, rape children, burn down a school packed of people etc, you are one of the Lords People if you accepted him in your Heart and you go to Heaven, everyone else will Burn....



So, why are (specifically) Christians in my nation so saddened by Deaths such as the 9/11 innocent, Why do they not Celebrate it, All the people that died that is now enjoying Heaven, whats the deal here? Why sad?

Actually, shouldn't any Christian want to die as soon as possible?

With one sweeping post you have demonstrated your ignorance concerning the human being that has faith in, and love for, God.

The bible calls death 'the enemy' 1 Corinthians 15 verse 26
Did not Jesus' mother and his brothers and followers weep and grieve for him when he died?

How crass to talk of celebrating evil done towards an innocent fellow man.

Many hope and trust their departed loved one is safe with God, but that does not alleviate the pain and grief of their absence.

[Philip Lu]

With one sweeping post you have demonstrated your ignorance concerning the human being that has faith in, and love for, God.

The bible calls death 'the enemy' 1 Corinthians 15 verse 26
Did not Jesus' mother and his brothers and followers weep and grieve for him when he died?

How crass to talk of celebrating evil done towards an innocent fellow man.

Many hope and trust their departed loved one is safe with God, but that does not alleviate the pain and grief of their absence.

hmm... seems like a contradiction to me.

[Dolly]

Isn't it jealous to want to hold on to an earthly relationship?

“For the Lord, whose name is jealous, is a jealous God.”—Exodus 34:14.

It must 'run in the family'.

But the discussion wasn't about jealousy was it? It seemed to be more about...hypocricy? I'm still waiting for the statistics and research referenced in the OP to be certain what it is we're discussing.

[minorwork]

Then, if you feel so compelled, express your disbelief. Such comments need not devolve into "its all a lie and you are a dupe for believing it".

Wasn't that what I just did? I'll try again if you insist but I doubt you'll like it any better.

Don't know what your beliefs are but I go with these. Basically Deistic in nature minus the fiction of Intelligent Design.

Belief in God does not require rejection of reason. It is by God given reason that I reject tenets of religious faith based on revelatory texts such as; Declaring a man dying 2000 years ago that lives today is a rejection of God given reason. Conclusions based on religious rejection of reason are not all found to be false, but is it by luck or knowledge that they happen to be true from time to time?

Whups. Maybe it does need to so devolve. But you use the term pejoratively as a weapon and not strictly as a term rooted in observation of dialog. If it does "devolve" in my statements it is at your instigation, your insistence on misunderstanding the fluid nature of discussion and the many directions that clarifications will send us.

When Christians would have me pay taxes and yet bar me from participating in government -- invoking religious tests -- then these tests must be stomped out.

Article 37 of the Declaration of Rights of the Maryland Constitution provides:

• "[N]o religious test ought ever to be required as a qualification for any office of profit or trust in this State, other than a declaration of belief in the existence of God . . . ."

• "...It is true that there is much historical precedent for such laws. Indeed, it was largely to escape religious test oaths and declarations that a great many of the early colonists left Europe and came here hoping to worship in their own way. It soon developed, however, that many of those who had fled to escape religious test oaths turned out to be perfectly willing, when they had the power to do so, to force dissenters from their faith to take test oaths in conformity with that faith. This brought on a host of laws in the new Colonies imposing burdens and disabilities of various kinds upon varied beliefs depending largely upon what group happened to be politically strong enough to legislate in favor of its own beliefs. The effect of all this was the formal or practical "establishment" of particular religious faiths in most of the Colonies, with consequent burdens imposed on the free exercise of the faiths of nonfavored believers." Torcaso v Watkins (1961)

It is by necessity that we must consider and constantly be on guard to the fact that there is no truth greater than the lie. All of us can be fooled.

Reason enables us to escape fear induced terrors of superstitious ignorance, and develop techniques that enable detachment from a temporary physical body that faces inevitable annihilation. Or at least give the apparent experience of existence independent of the body.

Now when it comes to dying, the happy man is one experienced in dying. He will have died each day in full consciousness and so there is no difference at that last departure. He just doesn't come back.

[SoylentGreen]

Rather silly post. I would love to hear your explanation of what circumstances would lead God to plan a believer’s murder of self.

They have a word for it, martyr.

[RickSp]

Your churlish comment does not further the discussion, it only detracts from it. That is by design. The provocative verbiage you employ is selected in order to distract the conversation from the topic, it is your wish to incite reaction so that the discussion be interrupted.

I gave you your wish. My gift to you; as you are one who craves the attention only mindless insult will bring, which you are so very prepared to "shove down our throats"

As for the topic of the thread, I await thoughtful comment concerning my rebuttal to davidsupreme’s specious claims.

LOL, Ape. The arrogance of the righteous is always so amusing. You are the only "thoughtful" commenter and the rest of us are merely "churlish." Preach on, preach on.

[NoJingoLingo]

One can be sad for one’s own loss of the relationship with the departed at the same time they rejoice in the person’s hoped for union with Christ.

Agreed

Nothing like a gratuitous statement.

Agreed

Celebrate the death of “9/11 innocent”? What if they were not saved? What if, due to their life being cut short, they had not received God’s Grace through Christ? We should celebrate that?

That's one of the flaws of xianity. Shouldn't it be gods fault for taking them before they are ready to receive salvation?

What of God’s plan for us? We should selfishly seek death instead of serving God according to his plan? We should seek death, because we’ve “got ours” instead of serving God to offer others salvation?

What service is it that xians are performing for god? Oh, that's right... worship.

What a selfish attitude.

His or god's?

[NoJingoLingo]

With one sweeping post you have demonstrated your ignorance concerning the human being that has faith in, and love for, God.

The bible calls death 'the enemy' 1 Corinthians 15 verse 26
Did not Jesus' mother and his brothers and followers weep and grieve for him when he died?

Oh well that clears everything up then.

How crass to talk of celebrating evil done towards an innocent fellow man.

I thought we were born sinners? There is no innocent man, right?

[Philip Lu]

“For the Lord, whose name is jealous, is a jealous God.”—Exodus 34:14.

It must 'run in the family'.

But the discussion wasn't about jealousy was it? It seemed to be more about...hypocricy? I'm still waiting for the statistics and research referenced in the OP to be certain what it is we're discussing.

Yes, but as threads often do on Volconvo, they get sidetracked. Anyways, you just proved that the Abrahamic God is not perfect, for he is jealous.

[RickSp]

According to Christian doctrine, most humans are condemned to eternal damnation because they haven't accepted Christ. So "pie in the sky, when you die," only applies to a minority of the human race. The merciful Christian god condemns the rest to burn in hell for all eternity.

[Angry Citizen]

What of God’s plan for us? We should selfishly seek death instead of serving God according to his plan? We should seek death, because we’ve “got ours” instead of serving God to offer others salvation?

You imply that God would be caught off-guard if you showed up at the pearly gates one day with a bullet lodged in your brain stem of your own infliction?

Ah, the many fallacies of the God Myth. A "plan". A plan of which you have no knowledge. A plan that could include your untimely death. But of course, there is no plan; just like there is no God, nor gods, for the very reason being that such a plethora are claimed, yet never evidenced.

The sadness felt in death is where the God Myth breaks down. You cannot help but fear death. You cannot help but feel sadness at the death of a loved one. You will never see them again. You know this, on some subconscious level that remains unchained to the God Myth. It breaks down just when you need it the most. Alas for death; alas for the weak-minded who are enthralled by the kingdom of the unseen deity.

[Dolly]

Yes, but as threads often do on Volconvo, they get sidetracked. Anyways, you just proved that the Abrahamic God is not perfect, for he is jealous.

I didn't prove anything; rumor has it Moses is responsible for writing that.