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    Smack-talking gamers

    Smack-talking gamers blow holes in online experience - Technology - NZ Herald News

    gamers ... exchange hate speech over their headsets as they stalk each other across the virtual battlefields. Players trade racist, homophobic and anti-Semitic insults so frequently that game makers are taking steps to tone down the rhetoric.

    One gamer told an opponent he presumed to be Jewish that he wished Hitler had succeeded in his mission. Many exchanges involve talk of rape or exult over the atomic bombing of Japan. There are frequent slurs on homosexuals, Asians, Hispanics and women.

    DeMarco said hate speech has been a problem for years. Game makers, despite some serious efforts, can only seek to limit the amount.

    "A lot of the problem lies within the players themselves," DeMarco said.

    The widespread use of the slurs is partly fuelled by the same anonymity that provides cover for abuse throughout cyberspace. Players can compete with people around the world, and know them only by the fictional "gamertags" they use to identify themselves.

    After years of tolerating abusive players, gamers have become more diligent about noting the gametags of abusive players and reporting them to game companies. Abusive players can be punished or even banned, but the process is slow.

    Those complaints are reviewed, and people who use hate speech can face punishments such as having their voice privileges suspended, making them unable to speak with other players in real time.

    They can also be banned temporarily or even permanently from the service, Toulouse said. Players whose conduct crosses into criminal behaviour are reported to law enforcement, he said.

    DeMarco said the best solution may just be continuing to educate people, especially parents of young gamers, about the problem.

    "I'd like to see parents being aware of what their kids being exposed to," he said.
    there has been discussion about the violence of games. but what about the violence of gamers themselves. should verbal intimidation and insults be acceptable, a part of the game lifestyle. or is there no place for it.
    mind that this sort of behaviour can be found on the internet as well. do we put up with it? fight back fire with fire , or just ignore it, or report it?


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    This is what I do when I encounter a "trash talker", beat him/her to a pulp and then I talk trash back :)

    No need to censor the games online, I've met plenty people on cod games that shouldn't be playing the games because they are like 12 or 13 years old and a lot of shit talking goes on the games and some "kids", I thought, couldn't handle it, but I have yet to come across a "kid" that seems to be affected by the words. I've had plenty people call me a shit load of names and I've called a crap load of names too (in response), it's all part of the game experience.


    Side note: the best conversation I've had with other players was when I was playing drums on metallica gh with a redneck from NO, a black dude from new york and myself, we were all quiet for a while, we knew that we were all different ethnicities, after a few perfect played songs by all of us on expert mode (expert plus for me) we let the "barriers" down and had a blast, we played for 5 hours and no trash talking, no "you nigger you lost" or "fucking redneck learn how to play!" nor "mexicans should stick to the fields!" nothing, it was pretty "educational" :)


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    there has been discussion about the violence of games. but what about the violence of gamers themselves. should verbal intimidation and insults be acceptable, a part of the game lifestyle. or is there no place for it.
    mind that this sort of behaviour can be found on the internet as well. do we put up with it? fight back fire with fire , or just ignore it, or report it?
    Soy....good parent that I am <snicker>

    I posted your link on my middle son's Facebook page with the comment: Hole blower~

    This is the response I received:

    SO WHAT IF I WANT TO BE RACIST AT 2AM, MOM! OMG DONT POST ON MY FACEBOOK UR EMBARRASSSSSING ME!!!!! BITCH! YOU'RE SO RUINING MY REPUTATION AND STREET CRED!


    To which I replied:

    Don't make me come up there and take the door off your hinges again young man!

    FWIW...
    My boys are gamers, I am not. I sometimes sit and watch them play. It's rather boring to me. They feel the same way about debating. We all agree both have their degree's of rudeness, are a source of entertainment, and a way to socialize. The older two make derogatory comments, but it's only among friends, sort of like some of us tease each other in chat and the goofy FB exchange between my son and I above. No harm, no foul....we are only joking. We don't take any of it seriously.

    The middle son and I laughed our asses off last night watching a few youtube videos of kids losing it playing video games. What was most funny to us was the amount of canned sodas and junk food in the first kid's room. Heh...

    (Warning...explicit language)

    YouTube - Croyt's Rage pt. 2

    Not sure how much of this kid you can take, the maniacal laugh is creepy.

    YouTube - German boy mad for computer

    Have I reported people on Volconvo for stepping over the line if they were malicious? Yup. Sure have.

    Last edited by Maryjane; 20th April 2010 at 04:28 AM.
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    I figure if you're going to lose your rag over something, it doesn't matter what age you are and any excuse will do...
    http://http://www.youtube.com/watch?...eature=related


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    Maryjane:
    SO WHAT IF I WANT TO BE RACIST AT 2AM, MOM! OMG DONT POST ON MY FACEBOOK UR EMBARRASSSSSING ME!!!!! BITCH! YOU'RE SO RUINING MY REPUTATION AND STREET CRED!
    It's the upside of being a parent.....


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    Just trying to post that link again..fingers crossed
    YouTube - Soo Funny guy gets mad at phone ringing


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    I find it funny that this is a news article. I thought everyone knew that profanity was a major aspect of gaming discussions? Oh well, I guess some people are just behind.

    Anyways, who cares? Parents can complain all they want, but their kid is going to grow up some day anyways. Let 'em swear. The people who get offended over this type of thing are silly and to be honest, naive. Anyways, there's no way of controlling it. Try to fight it, I guarantee it will only increase. People generally don't like being controlled.


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    Quote Quote by: notthecheatr View Post
    I find it funny that this is a news article. I thought everyone knew that profanity was a major aspect of gaming discussions? Oh well, I guess some people are just behind.

    Anyways, who cares? Parents can complain all they want, but their kid is going to grow up some day anyways. Let 'em swear. The people who get offended over this type of thing are silly and to be honest, naive. Anyways, there's no way of controlling it. Try to fight it, I guarantee it will only increase. People generally don't like being controlled.
    But it is not just the profanity. A few swear words are probably appropriate when when you manage to kill a half dozen elites only to be taken down by a grunt.

    But when they start with vicious racists slurs or death threats or throwing tantrums and smashing things, then it is a bit to much.
    Do you really want to play with someone who has out of control rages and every second word is the "F" word , and tells you he will kill you for what you just did.?

    Myself i think it's just terribly bad sportsmanship, and on that point alone is a good reason to discourage such behaviour. but i also do not see where the fun is in going into a violent rage over a silly game or debate on the net.

    We cannot control there behaviour but we need not condone it by allowing them to continue with it.

    The question here isn't what do the immature do, but what will be your response, report it or ignore it.


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    Er... you do all relize that EVERY video game system with online and microphone capabilities gives you the option to MUTE the mic of any offensive individual.

    Problem solved.


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    Quote Quote by: Lostinlife View Post
    Er... you do all relize that EVERY video game system with online and microphone capabilities gives you the option to MUTE the mic of any offensive individual.

    Problem solved.

    No, solved would be actually finding a solution to the problem. avoiding the problem would be turning down the mike and not listening.
    your taking of the passive solution does nothing to lessen the incidence of rage. In a way it encourages it. they got you to go away, while there still there swearing and abusing any one who still listening.

    Do you take the passive role , put them on ignore and allow them to abuse any new comer who then may be turned off the gaming experience. lose a good player to the abuse of a bad one.

    Or do you take a stand and fight against this behaviour, work to actually discourage it.


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    if I find someone that is plain rude, I just mute him, that's all.

    No need to set "banned" or "suspended" status on any account, unless they cheated.


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    Quote Quote by: SoylentGreen View Post
    No, solved would be actually finding a solution to the problem. avoiding the problem would be turning down the mike and not listening.
    your taking of the passive solution does nothing to lessen the incidence of rage. In a way it encourages it. they got you to go away, while there still there swearing and abusing any one who still listening.

    Do you take the passive role , put them on ignore and allow them to abuse any new comer who then may be turned off the gaming experience. lose a good player to the abuse of a bad one.

    Or do you take a stand and fight against this behaviour, work to actually discourage it.
    You seem to have this idea that anyone has the power to intervene in a child's upbringing, which in all likelihood is the key cause of any angry, indecent, or otherwise hateful behavior. I cannot.

    Online gaming is far from the world of white collar offices with their strict harrasment laws and why would anyone attempt to bring such places together? Where would the line be? Shall we conduct investigations in order to determine if a certain gamer had malice intent in his/her dialogue? We can discourage this behavior all we want, but ultimately we have no control as to wheather it goes on, that is without severely limiting the online chatting experience.


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