Jesus hates figs!

[Cruella]

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[Mr. Mxyzptlk]

Dear Mr. Mxyzptlk: Why are you trying to use reason on unreasonable people? Don't you know it's a waste?

It’s a waste Mr. Loser, but remember: there is a portion of waste that may be seen as {good} waste.

Secondly, even the {unreasonable} have their own {reasons.}

An orchard worker doesn't curse the tree first.

Good day, Mr. Green.

Now, it appears that you are proposing that orchard workers do not curse trees? So question: What do you believe the orchard worker is doing when he uproots the tree to destroy it? Is that not a curse?

He did hate didn't he?

Oh yes he does. He hates just like you hate.

He threw the money lenders out of the temple. He seemed angry and somewhat hateful then, didn't he?

Of course Jesus hates. No one is denying that fact. You see Mr. Soylent, one is not arguing that Jesus does not hate. Those questions are not about refuting the fact that Jesus hates. Instead, the questions are directed to those who hate while they have a problem with Jesus hating. Those who hate while they will look you in the face and deny that they hate. Those who will tell you that all other works except theirs is based on hate. Those who have learned to benefit from the very hate that they accuse everyone else of shewing. Those who, while appearing to try to stop hate, are themselves the primary progenitors and dispensers of hate. Those who hate so much, that for the sole purpose of hate, they are willing to twist and manipulate scripture to the point where they have made Jesus’ Actions and Movement somehow more {evil} than your {average} orchard worker.

So, Mr. Soylent, maybe you can answer the questions: Why is it that you are allowed to hate the fact that Jesus hates certain fig trees, but Jesus is not permitted to hate fig trees that are not producing figs? Why is it that you are allowed to hate the fact that Jesus hates fig trees that are not producing needed figs, but Jesus is not permitted to hate fig trees that are not producing needed figs? Why is it that you are allowed to hate Jesus for hating fig trees that are not producing needed figs, but Jesus is not permitted to hate fig trees that are not producing needed figs? Why is it that you should be allowed to hold a monopoly on hate? Shouldn’t Jesus be allowed to hate if you are allowed to hate? And if not, why?

But did he curse them, the money lenders?

Yes he did.

Yet he cursed a fig tree? Why would he do that?

Because he cursed the money lenders too.

[lsbskins1]

Look at it this way: No one will ever doubt that fig trees exist. Hell, you can even eat them (the figs, not the trees unless you are a termite). God and Jesus have some difficulty having their existence accepted by some folks (quite a bunch of them, 1000 million Muslims to start off).

I would hat them too if I was God or Jesus! I guess I would hate everything whose existence could be proved physically (which includes a LOT of stuff)... oh wait...

Just for the record...all those Muslims believe in the same God the Christians and Jews believe in...and all those Muslims consider Jesus as real, but not divine, he is seen as another Prophet, but not the Son of God, or God incarnate, because there is but one God. I dislike it when people make this mistake, because it denies a fundamental fact...Jews, Christians and Muslims worship the very same God.

Which leads me to believe that the Jews and Muslims might be more right...I mean, either Jesus wasn't the son of God, but just another erring Prophet (cursing the fig tree being akin to striking the rock for water rather than asking it to give water, a fault that helped keep Moses from crossing the Jordan) or he was just a fake rabble rouser with no real respect for the law. Ummmm????? Or, maybe, just maybe...like I believe, he was a real guy, along the lines of a social crusader, who championed the down trodden and was later given all this divine baggage.

But he sure musta hated Figs!

[Mr. Mxyzptlk]

Of course God and Jesus hate, they hate the way of life of the sinners, but not the person themself.

What’s the difference? How do you hate the way of life of the sinner and not the sinner? Is the life of the sinner and the way of the sinner not one? Is the person of the sinner and the way of the sinner not one? Is the way of the thief and the thief not one? Is the way of the rapist and the rapist not one? Is the way of the pedophile and the pedophile not one?

In other words, is a man not one with his ways?

What is hate? Hate is when someone feels very uncomfortable about something or another, and that is natural.

Hate is {natural?} When did that happen? Are you sure? You must be sadly mistaken. You see, it is only {natural} for {unnatural} Christians, Muslims, and those that are said to believe in a God, gods, and religion to hate. But it is {unnatural} for those {natural} atheists and those that are said not to believe in a God, gods, and religion to hate. Those guys don’t hate. They never hate. Hate is so much beneath them

Secondly, since you hate the way of the life of the sinner and not the person themselves, shouldn’t you define hate as this: Hate is when someone feels very uncomfortable about the way of the life of something or another and not the person of the something or another.

Decent people hate murderers for example, because they feel uncomfortable about them strongly, and when faced with discomfort we try to satisfy our urges to survive peacefully without discomfort from something, so we try to snuff out the feeling by snuffing out the person.

Well, there you go again. {Decent} people do not [hate] murderers. {Decent} people hate the murder but not the murderer. If {decent} people hated murderers, then this would mean that they hate the person who is committing the murder. This fact would not jibe well with your earlier assertion.

Secondly, lest you be reminded {decent} people do not hate. It is already established that Christians and Muslims and those that are said to believe in a God, gods, and religion are the only ones who hate. And it has been made clear that they are not {decent} people.

If they hate murderers, they will always hate the act of murder, as it is that actt hat makes them feel uncomfortable.

But don’t they only hate the act of murder and not the murderer? Have you not stated as much?

As you grow you accept that there is no perfection and you may also decide that forgetting about it will lead to peace, and forgive the people.

No {perfection?} Then why is there a word for {perfection?}

So how was Jesus so... forgetful?

Mr. Charlatan, what are you referring to? Who said anything about Jesus being forgetful?

I would say it was simply because He was comfortable with these things in people as they were all sinners, so, He must have seen a way forward instead of thinking about the past.

Jesus was so comfortable with sinners that, as Mr. Soylent pointed out, he whipped them out of the temple. That must be a {new} definition of {comfortable.}

So Jesus offered a way forward, not backwards. As people often think of something they don't feel comfortable with because they are paranoid, they forgive less and move less forward. You have a problem - the sin or whatever - and you can either think about it or move forward.

But, as is witnessed on this thread, {forwards} and {backwards} are subjective. Your {forwards} and {backwards} is not the next man’s {forwards} and {backwards.} Your {forwards} may be seen as {backwards.} So Jesus offered a way that may be viewed as either {forwards} or {backwards.} For example:
Jesus eradicated a fig tree that was not producing the desired fruit. Orchard workers and many others see such an Action as a way of moving {forward.} But as witnessed, Mr. Barts and some others see such an Action as a way of moving {backwards.}

So, your {forward} is not always the next man’s {forward;} it may be his {backwards.}

So forgetting about it and moving forward is essential, but it will still make you feel 'uncomfortable' and you will hate that feeling and the thing that brought it on.

Forgetting about what?

Now did Jesus hate anybody? I am sure He hated what they had done but did not hate them personally.

And again, maybe you can explain this concept of hating what an individual does without hating them personally? How does that work? Does an individual’s Actions and Movements not come from their person? And if so, then where does it come from?

When He 'killed' the fig tree, He was not moving forward, but instead dispensing hatred, as you must hate to kill something in that manner, as a lumberjack throws away a broken axe in disgust when it breaks.

Can you not do both? Can you not move {forward} and dispense hatred at the same time? It sounds as if you are saying that it is not possible to do both at the same Time? And if it is not possible, then maybe you can explain why?

Could it be that Jesus hated the feeling of being dissapointed, dissapointed in the fig tree, blaming the fig tree, but where did his feeling of 'retribution' come from to kill the tree?

And could it not also be that Jesus hated the simple fact that the tree refused to produce what was required of it?

It must have been dissapointment followed by anger, a really childish turn of events mentally, as dissapointment leads to unease, and that triggers a person's survival instinct - fight or flight. Seeing as how Jesus was faced with this unexpectedly, He might have been caught unawares and been a bit too spontaneous. I am sure that He has the same reations as us, as we are made in their image.

Faced with what {unexpectedly?} Where does it state in the scriptures that Jesus was faced with something that was {unexpected?}

Secondly, why is {anger} a childish event? Why is it only fitting that a {child} should be angry?

So yes Jesus does hate lifestyles and being dissapointed, but nothing personal I would say.

Poison for the system!

How would hating someone else’s lifestyle not be {personal?} How is your hate of someone else’s lifestyle not {personal?} Does the hate not come from the person? Does the lifestyle not come from the person?

[loser]

My fig trees are producing figs (the early crop) and it made me remember this thread. One answer can be found here:

Why did Jesus curse the fig tree?

"Answer: The account of Jesus cursing the barren fig tree is found in two different Gospel accounts. First it is seen in Matthew 21:18-22, and then also in Mark 11:12-14...Also, in order to fully understand this passage, we need to have an understanding of the importance of the fig tree as it relates to the nation of Israel, and understand how the fig tree is often used in the Scriptures to symbolically represent Israel. Finally, we must have a basic understanding of the fig tree itself, its growing seasons, etc...

...Mark explains that it actually took place over two days with Jesus cursing the fig tree the first day on the way to cleanse the Temple, and the disciples seeing the tree withered on the second day when they were again going to Jerusalem from Bethany...Of course upon seeing the tree “withered from the roots up,” the disciples were amazed as that would have normally taken several weeks.

Having reviewed the general chronological setting of the story, we can begin to answer some of many questions that are often asked of it. First of all is the question: Why did Jesus curse the fig tree if it was not the right season for figs? The answer to this question can be determined by studying the characteristics of fig trees. By doing that we learn that the fruit of the fig tree generally appears before the leaves and because the fruit is green it sort of blends in with the leaves right up until it is almost ripe. Therefore, when Jesus and His disciples saw from a distance that the tree had leaves, they would have expected it to also have fruit on it even though it was earlier in the season than what would be normal for a fig tree to be bearing fruit. Also, from studying about the way fig trees grow in Israel we learn that each tree would often produce two to three crops of figs each season. There would be an early crop in the spring followed by one or two later crops. In some parts of the area, depending on climate and conditions, it was also possible that a tree might produce fruit ten out of twelve months. This also explains why Jesus and His disciples would be looking for fruit on the fig tree even if it was not in the main growing season.


Jesus, like me, loves figs...especially right off of the tree.

Fig leaves, on the other hand, suck like a Hoover...you can't even make an acceptable loin cloth with them!

[Rainbow]

Jesus hates figs!

Jesus and the Lord Almighty hate figs. Despite smiting them so that fig trees never bear figs again, they continue to this day to bear figs and people eat figs.

So evil are figs that Jesus and the Lord kill them for no other reason than fig trees don't bear fruit when they want to eat.

What should we do about it? I say we should pass laws to ban figs, tear up all fig trees, and have the churches preach edicts that people who eat or grow figs will not have life everlasting.

What say you?

Matthew 21

Mark 11

Not only does Jesus hate figs, so does the Lord Almighty.

Jeremiah 29

See? There can be no doubt that figs are evil, and must be torn from the Earth, lest they corrupt our families and whole way of life.

Burn the figs.I say? Praise be to Jesus!

Your findings are misleading.

[GeminiBrian]

Your findings are misleading.

What a shame Jesus saw a fig tree and not a field of brussels sprouts, IMO.

[Sonart]

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Why did Jesus curse the fig tree?
My fig trees are producing figs (the early crop) and it made me remember this thread. One answer can be found here:

Why did Jesus curse the fig tree?

"Answer: The account of Jesus cursing the barren fig tree is found in two different Gospel accounts. First it is seen in Matthew 21:18-22, and then also in Mark 11:12-14...Also, in order to fully understand this passage, we need to have an understanding of the importance of the fig tree as it relates to the nation of Israel, and understand how the fig tree is often used in the Scriptures to symbolically represent Israel. Finally, we must have a basic understanding of the fig tree itself, its growing seasons, etc...

...Mark explains that it actually took place over two days with Jesus cursing the fig tree the first day on the way to cleanse the Temple, and the disciples seeing the tree withered on the second day when they were again going to Jerusalem from Bethany...Of course upon seeing the tree “withered from the roots up,” the disciples were amazed as that would have normally taken several weeks.

Having reviewed the general chronological setting of the story, we can begin to answer some of many questions that are often asked of it. First of all is the question: Why did Jesus curse the fig tree if it was not the right season for figs? The answer to this question can be determined by studying the characteristics of fig trees. By doing that we learn that the fruit of the fig tree generally appears before the leaves and because the fruit is green it sort of blends in with the leaves right up until it is almost ripe. Therefore, when Jesus and His disciples saw from a distance that the tree had leaves, they would have expected it to also have fruit on it even though it was earlier in the season than what would be normal for a fig tree to be bearing fruit. Also, from studying about the way fig trees grow in Israel we learn that each tree would often produce two to three crops of figs each season. There would be an early crop in the spring followed by one or two later crops. In some parts of the area, depending on climate and conditions, it was also possible that a tree might produce fruit ten out of twelve months. This also explains why Jesus and His disciples would be looking for fruit on the fig tree even if it was not in the main growing season.

What a delightfully huge, steaming pile of completely speculative baloney. And the line in Mark... "for it was not the season for figs" ...meant what? That it was not the place of the money changers to be in the Temple, and lo, they should be cursed as a barren fig tree?

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[Silent Munkey]

Mark 11 as a whole was pretty funny. Thanks. =)

[Silent Munkey]

Thank you also for Jeremiah 29:17. LOL

[Silent Munkey]

Something I found funny...

KJV: Jeremiah 29:17
Thus saith the Lord of hosts; Behold, I will send upon them the sword, with the famine, and with the pestilence, and will make them like vile figs, that cannot be eaten, they are so evil.

NKJV: Jeremiah 29:17
Thus says the Lord of hosts: Behold, I will send on them the sword, the famine, and the pestilence, and will make them like rotten figs that cannot be eaten, they are so bad.

The Message Jeremiah 29:17
God-of-the-Angel-Armies says, "Watch this! catastrophe is on the way: war, hunger, disease! They're a barrel of rotten apples!"

The Bible. The wonderful work of fiction by man to control man. Ever changing and freaking retarded.

[Mr. Mxyzptlk]

Do you honestly believe that?
...seriously?

What is there not to believe?

Where in the Bible does it mention that belief also earns you the ability to read minds? To state this as if it were fact is deceitful and untrue. Not the sort of lie someone should espouse if they respect the truth.

John 14:12 Verily, verily, I say unto you, He that believeth on me, the works that I do shall he do also; and greater [works] than these shall he do; because I go unto my Father.

If Jesus lived today he would have to pay good money to be psychoanalysed like that.

If Jesus lived today?

Yes - it's called ART - one of mankind's greatest accomplishments - but like knowledge, independent thinking and learning generally - God hates it - makes him feel insecure...

What a Philistine...

Where in the Bible does it mention that, “like knowledge, {independent} thinking, and learning, God hates ART?” Please present the scriptures, or to borrow from Mr. Jack: “To state this as if it were fact is deceitful and untrue. Not the sort of lie someone should espouse if they respect the truth.” So please present the verses for this declaration.

By the way, from studying the Scriptures, it appears that God likes Art. In fact, He likes it so much, that if one were to study, they will see that Art may be found throughout the Scriptures.


Genesis 3:9 And the LORD God called unto Adam, and said unto him, Where [art] thou?

Genesis 4:6 And the LORD said unto Cain, Why art thou wroth? and why is thy countenance fallen?

Genesis 17:8 And I will give unto thee, and to thy seed after thee, the land wherein thou art a stranger, all the land of Canaan, for an everlasting possession; and I will be their God.

Proverbs 24:24 He that saith unto the wicked, Thou [art] righteous; him shall the people curse, nations shall abhor him:

Song of Solomon 1:16 Behold, thou [art] fair, my beloved, yea, pleasant: also our bed [is] green.

Isaiah 14:12 How art thou fallen from heaven, O Lucifer, son of the morning! [how] art thou cut down to the ground, which didst weaken the nations!

Isaiah 47:8 Therefore hear now this, [thou that art] given to pleasures, that dwellest carelessly, that sayest in thine heart, I [am], and none else beside me; I shall not sit [as] a widow, neither shall I know the loss of children:

Obadiah 1:2 Behold, I have made thee small among the heathen: thou art greatly despised.

Nahum 3:8 Art thou better than populous No, that was situate among the rivers, [that had] the waters round about it, whose rampart [was] the sea, [and] her wall [was] from the sea?


Matthew 6:9 After this manner therefore pray ye: Our Father which art in heaven, Hallowed be thy name.