How Do We Lessen the Number of Abortions?

[grandpa]

The perceived need for abortions could be lessened a bit
by changing laws that encourage abortions because one of the
consenting parents is underage.
These laws make the fetus convicting evidence.

The anti-abortion crowd will surely attempt to change laws, and they'll turn their attention to clinics that perform abortions. And one day maybe we'll see a rise in back alley abortions.

Grandpa h.

[minorwork]

The anti-abortion crowd will surely attempt to change laws, and they'll turn their attention to clinics that perform abortions. And one day maybe we'll see a rise in back alley abortions.

You are correct. They are so short-sighted. This is the anti-abortion version of the "feel good about yourself" efforts to ban abortion at the expense of a rise in crime rates. http://www.economics.harvard.edu/fac...bw99_09_27.pdf

[SoylentGreen]

Ken CarmanAnd, if education is part of the solution to the lessening... how early?

Start from the beginning. The moment a child can formulate a question regarding sex then a parent should feel comfortable answering it. However parents should also be aware of age appropriate responses .
I think it also important that children should be taught awareness of their body and we should definitely stop teaching that the genital area is a no go zone, that we should be ashamed of it and hide it away and never talk about it in front of children.

[Rog]

Education would be a start. If we all worked at getting rid of the christian based belief that sex is somehow wrong and we should be ashamed of our genitals then possibly a more intelligent approach can be made towards educating people about the responsibility of sex.

Agree with you for most part. Education is the key.

[grandpa]

Agree with you for most part.
Education is the key.

I see I'm on your side, Rog and Soylent -- at least on this issue. Many current policies aren't doing education any good, regarding either sex or drugs.

Grandpa h.

[Median]

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Obviously I am not saying people that get pregnant or people that are against abortions lack knowledge, but the more knowledge about sex, babies, motherhood, responsibilities, infant care, STDs, birth control, finances etc etc etc, the better choice a woman/girl can make. you get it

[ironeagle]

Tell teens sex is inaapropriate for them, no more schools handing out condoms, no more parents and doctors giving birth control, because it gives teens the false belief they won't get pregnant and thta sex is ok as long as they don't catch disease or get pregnant. The abortion law is imparative to reducing abortions, but counseling and court order birth is another way to protect children so their fathers and other family members can take care of them when their mommies don't want the responsibilty. More teen casualties from sexually transmitted diseases, more pregnancies and more sexual activity has hapened because of the condoms, birthcontrol pills and belief thta they are oging to be fine. teens don't realize they are not invincible. It is also imparative women start educating themselves on their bodies, and their purpose on earth, to bare and raise children, it is the denial of this basic fact that convinces women they don't have the obligation to care for their babies. I do not believe the epidemic of abortion is due to Christians teaching sex is perverted or whatever bull pucky Soylent Green mentioned, it is because women do not think they have to take responsibility for their actions that causes most of the abotions. The death sentence for abortion could curtial it quite a bit too.

[minorwork]

It is also imparative women start educating themselves on their bodies, and their purpose on earth, to bare and raise children, it is the denial of this basic fact that convinces women they don't have the obligation to care for their babies.

How do you know what anybody's, including your own, purpose is? A sterile woman, then, has no purpose? How does one determine his/her purpose?

The death sentence for abortion could curtial it quite a bit too.

Yes, The death sentence could be useful deterrents to several undesirable situations.

My future wife becomes pregnant before marriage. My choice is now made. I will marry her because of her pregnancy. I would do this because I love her though her pregnancy was a result of rape by another man. But maybe pregnancy before marriage should be punishable by death. That would curtail it quite a bit too. Of course, so as not to offend you, carry out the sentence after the baby is delivered, then execute both partners.

[ironeagle]

You are making an unbalanced an irrational statement, abortion is murder and is the taking of another life, therefore a capitol punishment would be appropriate as with other murder cases. There is no comparison between that and your idea of capitol punish for premarital pregnancy. I didn't mean to say birth was a womans only purpose, I meant it was our natural purpose to have children. Many women wish to deny this truth, even though it is fact. Perhaps a woman's purpose is to become a doctor and find the cure for cancer I don't know, but not wanting to believe that you are a woman and have baby bearing parts and were made to give birth, doesn't give you the right to abort. If they believe so strongly that way they should obstain from sex all together and not cause so many of their own problems. Many woman have been feed these lies by NOW, and similar groups which teach women men are pigs, dads have no rights, women are not meant for having children and purposterous and dangerous ideas, which many of these laws like abortion rights are based off of. It is a far cry from the originol purpose of the women's movement, for equality. Women shuld be treated with respect, be allowed to have careers, and be free from abuse, but they should not be allowed to have special rules, special laws, coddling laws, get special enforcement of laws, nor should they be allowed to dominate men, take away fathers rights or pawn their responsibilities onto others.

[SoylentGreen]

ironeagleYou are making an unbalanced an irrational statement, abortion is murder and is the taking of another life, therefore a capitol punishment would be appropriate as with other murder cases.

Now that is what I call a good example of unbalanced and irrational.

On the one hand you are against abortion because it takes a life and yet on the other you advocate the death penalty for women who have an abortion.

Life really is sacred to you isn't it.

[ironeagle]

Life is sacred and in order to protect that of others we must terminate the lives of those who would and have taken one or several other people's lives, it is both fair and justified. There life is sacred but they must be taken from the earth for their crimes.

[minorwork]

You are making an unbalanced an irrational statement, abortion is murder and is the taking of another life, therefore a capitol punishment would be appropriate as with other murder cases.

Spoken like a male that wants to maintain dominance over the female instead of being a partner.

There is no comparison between that and your idea of capitol punish for premarital pregnancy.

I just went with your idea of execution as a deterrent to undesirable actions and applied it to others. For sure it is not punitive. They won't commit the crime again. In the case of abortion they won't be able to conceive a child again either.

Murder is not legal. Abortion is not murder up to a certain age. Especially when the woman does not know if the fetus will be viable. You might have a case if there had been an amniocentesis, fetoscopy, and other examinations, but even then the exam of the fetus can not reveal some of the defects that even you would abort.

I didn't mean to say birth was a womans only purpose, I meant it was our natural purpose to have children. Many women wish to deny this truth, even though it is fact. Perhaps a woman's purpose is to become a doctor and find the cure for cancer I don't know, but not wanting to believe that you are a woman and have baby bearing parts and were made to give birth, doesn't give you the right to abort.

I certainly don't have the ability to abort. I am a man. Who grants these rights that you refer to so often?

If they believe so strongly that way they should obstain from sex all together and not cause so many of their own problems.

You must believe in free will and, more so, in arm chair quarterbacking, back seat driving and second guessing. Are you having any luck abstaining from sex?

Many woman have been feed these lies by NOW, and similar groups which teach women men are pigs, dads have no rights, women are not meant for having children and purposterous and dangerous ideas, which many of these laws like abortion rights are based off of. It is a far cry from the originol purpose of the women's movement, for equality. Women shuld be treated with respect, be allowed to have careers, and be free from abuse, but they should not be allowed to have special rules, special laws, coddling laws, get special enforcement of laws, nor should they be allowed to dominate men, take away fathers rights or pawn their responsibilities onto others.

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Lessen abortions by dropping the punishment for consenting partners. Alter the idea that pregnancy is a bad thing.