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    Mideast facing choice between crops and water

    Mideast facing choice between crops and water - International Herald Tribune
    Global food shortages have placed the Middle East and North Africa in a quandary, as they are forced to choose between growing more crops to feed an expanding population or preserving their already scant supply of water.

    For decades nations in this region have drained aquifers, sucked the salt from seawater and diverted the mighty Nile to make the deserts bloom. But those projects were so costly and used so much water that it remained far more practical to import food than to produce it. Today, some countries import 90 percent or more of their staples.

    Now, the worldwide food crisis is making many countries in this politically volatile region rethink that math.

    The population of the region has more than quadrupled since 1950, to 364 million, and is expected to reach nearly 600 million by 2050. By that time, the amount of fresh water available for each person, already scarce, will be cut in half, and declining resources could inflame political tensions further.

    "The countries of the region are caught between the hammer of rising food prices and the anvil of steadily declining water availability per capita," Alan Richards, a professor of economics and environmental studies at the University of California, Santa Cruz, said

    Losing confidence in world markets, these nations are turning anew to expensive schemes to maintain their food supply.

    Djibouti is growing rice in solar-powered greenhouses, fed by groundwater and cooled with seawater, in a project that produces what the World Bank economist Ruslan Yemtsov calls "probably the most expensive rice on earth."

    Several oil-rich nations, including Saudi Arabia, have started searching for farmland in fertile but politically unstable countries like Pakistan and Sudan, with the goal of growing crops to be shipped home.

    "These countries have the land and the water," said Hassan Sharaf Al Hussaini, an official in Bahrain's agriculture ministry. "We have the money."

    In Egypt, where a shortage of subsidized bread led to rioting in April, government officials say they are looking into growing wheat on two million acres straddling the border with Sudan.

    Economists and development experts say that nutritional self-sufficiency in this part of the world presents challenges that are not easily overcome. Saudi Arabia tapped aquifers to become self-sufficient in wheat production in the 1980s. By the early 1990s, the kingdom had become a major exporter. This year, however, the Saudis said they would phase out the program because it used too much water.

    "You can bring in money and water and you can make the desert green until either the water runs out or the money," said Elie Elhadj, a Syrian-born author who wrote his Ph.D. dissertation on the topic.

    Well I think this might force the stupid Arab governments t ocut back on their population growth... one child policy in Arabland, anyone?

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    The article states that "Several oil-rich nations, including Saudi Arabia, have started searching for farmland in fertile but politically unstable countries like Pakistan and Sudan, with the goal of growing crops to be shipped home."

    What, in fact, will happen is that US agribusiness will ship American grown food offshore, just as American business sent jobs offshore. American will starve, thanks to the American capitalistic system and the Congress it owns, before the Saudi Arabians starve.


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    Interesting, I was recently in the Southwest U.S., an area that parts of which many believe with proper irrigation could feed the world, but in doing so would completely destroy the future water supply of the region.

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    It reminds me of a video I saw discussing how Las Vegas has drained all of the water from a massive portion of the surrounding area, causing farmers to shut down their farms due to lack of water.

    I'm sorry, but I'd agree with you if you were right.

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    How about a bushel for a barrel? Sounds fair to me or consider the alternative............

    I heard tell filet of camel ass is quite tasty and a nice vintage crude compliments it quite well.

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    I understand the same is happening in Australia. Any racist comments about them, RealRockingham?

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    -George Best, on being asked what he did with his footballing fortunes.

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    Not all that racist, mismanaging water is stupid, and Arabs would probably agree.

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    OMG.

    Hey guys; the problem here is to starve or not to starve. The details above are meaningless hogwash. Talk, talk, talk, bullshit, bullshit, bullshit.

    So what do we do? Do we allow folks to starve and not use water to plant, or do we allow the water to flow to become habitate for fish and forests?

    So there you have it: people or fish and trees? It's really rather simple. Since we all know that we need fish and trees and we really don't need the people, then the solution is obvious.

    Let the people starve and then we, who survive, will all have a nice forest to walk in and take digital pictures of. You know, so that we can show them in our Lion's Club meetings.


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    You see, this is not really about the fish and the trees. This is about drinking water. If you divert a river to grow food you've killed everybody who needed that river for drinking water.

    Fishermen and the lumber industry will also be somewhat pissed at you for destroying their livelihoods and those sectors of the economy. Our ties to the natural world are very real. We cannot afford to ignore them.

    There are three ways to deal with our population and its inevitable degradation of the planet's ability to support such a population:

    1. Do nothing until all our aquifers and oceans are nonproductive and then figure out where our next meal will come from.

    2. Condoms. Lots of condoms.

    3. Delicious soylent green.

    Details always have meaning in chaotic systems.

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    Quote Quote by: Thanatos View Post
    You see, this is not really about the fish and the trees. This is about drinking water. If you divert a river to grow food you've killed everybody who needed that river for drinking water.

    Fishermen and the lumber industry will also be somewhat pissed at you for destroying their livelihoods and those sectors of the economy. Our ties to the natural world are very real. We cannot afford to ignore them.

    There are three ways to deal with our population and its inevitable degradation of the planet's ability to support such a population:

    1. Do nothing until all our aquifers and oceans are nonproductive and then figure out where our next meal will come from.

    2. Condoms. Lots of condoms.

    3. Delicious soylent green.

    Details always have meaning in chaotic systems.

    Wonderfully written and I concur. Ever since that movie I've been looking for soylent green and can't find it anywhere. Even Costco doesn't stock it, if they did it'd come in great big bags right? Or do you have to refridgerate that stuff? If my corner Costco stocked it, I could feast for days, weeks on the stuff. yum.

    Here's a thought that some people fail to understand: The Earth is 5.3 billion years old. Dirt came about, about 3.2 billion years ago. Things started living here about 1.3 billion years ago. Really big things have been living here for about 265 million years. People kind of like us have been here for about 3.2 million years (Lucy) but guys just like thee and me have been around for about 130,000 years. Mankind hasn't really begun to screw things up until about 250 years ago.

    If one was way out in space and looked at the Globe one might see, if using an extremely powerful lense, a little speck of mankind infection upon the surface. A growth if you will. That infection when enlarged hundreds of times would turn out to be a big city, like LA.

    Upon further inspection this mankind infection, could be found elsewhere on the Earth. In some places the damage would be more serious than in others. Over time the infestation could be measured and graffed. However, the Earth, while suffering, would keep on turning. It has internal mechanisms to combat such attacks. It sort of heals itself. Eventually something would happen and the infection, which rather looks like mold from outter space, would cease to grow and would began to shrink. The lesion would start to heal! After a bit it would disappear altogether. The Good Ol' Earth would thrive again.

    As for water and people?


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    Quote Quote by: Matt W View Post
    I understand the same is happening in Australia. Any racist comments about them, RealRockingham?
    Well, were decended largely from convicts

    And it shows in our culture. For that reason, I HATE Australian culture.

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    Quote Quote by: RealRockingham View Post
    Well, were decended largely from convicts

    And it shows in our culture. For that reason, I HATE Australian culture.
    This statement makes no sense to me at all. One can hate a people, I guess,or a nation; but a "culture"? I'm not sure that one can hate a people for tha matter. Most individual people are likeable.

    One can dislike an element of a given culture, but it's seems over the top to hate an entire culture.


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