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    Police conducting door to door search

    Don't worry, this is not about your house, but about motel rooms. It has been determined that Patrol Officers can work motels to interdict crime and make their communities safer. That would include knocking on doors of motels under false pretence (or any kind) in hopes of spotting something unlawful so that an arrest can be made. In one Reno operation the Motel Interdition officers found that 18 out of 25 occupied rooms were involved in some sort of criminal activity.

    According to the courts the police to use deceptions to ask people to let them into the room. As long as they do not enter without consent of the person renting the room. They can even pretend to be workers checking the air conditioners or whatever.

    For years motel clerks and managers have been lax about reporting suspects, such as positutes. To get the managers to work with them the police will write them up for all kinds of safty or other violations until the owners conform to helping out the police. They train the motel staff on what to look for because the maids go in and out of rooms for clearning purposes and so they are told what to look for.

    "Motels are often the homes for people on the fringes of society". (volume 32. #6. of police magazine for June 2008. )

    Drug dealers are using motels instead of their own houses or cars to avoid having their properties empounded. Motels are the first places used by criminals who are released from jails. For human smuggling businesses (importing unlawful people from Mexico), and for "extramarital delinguents". As well as the normal transitory guests and those who are economically disadvantaged.

    By checking the sign-logs the police can catch those involved in ID theifs or people using stolen credit cards.

    I post this in part because summer is here and some of you will be taking that little vacation trip and perhaps will plan to stay at a motel along the way, especially in places like Reno.

    Cops do go knocking door to door in order to ask questions and normally under the pretense of responding to a call (which is not true) and then they will ask if they can come inside to talk to you, perhaps on the pretense of investgating a hit and run case or whatever. Which might not be a real problem for you if you are just on vacation. But just as a matter of principle it might be irritating to know you are being treated like a potential suspect via those door to door investigations.

    Or that the Crash unit might have a shoot out with some drug dealer where you are staying at.

    And remember.. no more No Tell Motels.

    I feel some human rights issues are apparent in the above report that can offer up a debate topic. Take your pick.

    Room service anyone?


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    Patriot Act anyone? Lol.

    Sarcasm aside, I think this does present many civil rights issues. The part that really angers me is that they can enter under false pretenses.


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    Cops lie. Period. They're allowed to lie during traffic stops, interrogations, encounters on the street, if they think it'll lead them to a crime. If they haven't got a warrant, they can lie and tell you they do, and if you resist they can shoot your ass for "threatening officer safety," the catch-all for "I felt like shooting this guy." It's shocking how many people have been "proven" to have posed a serious threat to "officer safety" from inside locked police cars, while wearing handcuffs, while lying face-down in the street, or in their own homes.


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    So prostitution, drug trade, and other illegal activities are being stopped dead inside motel rooms.

    But I guess thats a bad thing? Criminals deserve to be able to hide and have the police beg and scrape to catch them? Protect the innocent and the guilty at the same time. That's all our nation seems to do.

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    Quote Quote by: HelioPrime View Post
    So prostitution, drug trade, and other illegal activities are being stopped dead inside motel rooms.

    But I guess thats a bad thing? Criminals deserve to be able to hide and have the police beg and scrape to catch them? Protect the innocent and the guilty at the same time. That's all our nation seems to do.
    Criminals are citizens too. They deserve just as much protection as the guilty do.


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    Quote Quote by: The Dunedan View Post
    Cops lie. Period. They're allowed to lie during traffic stops, interrogations, encounters on the street, if they think it'll lead them to a crime. If they haven't got a warrant, they can lie and tell you they do, and if you resist they can shoot your ass for "threatening officer safety," the catch-all for "I felt like shooting this guy." It's shocking how many people have been "proven" to have posed a serious threat to "officer safety" from inside locked police cars, while wearing handcuffs, while lying face-down in the street, or in their own homes.
    Not to mention the dirty and often illegal tactics they use during interrogations to get the information they need.


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    Quote Quote by: HelioPrime View Post
    But I guess thats a bad thing? Criminals deserve to be able to hide and have the police beg and scrape to catch them? Protect the innocent and the guilty at the same time. That's all our nation seems to do.
    It's a bad thing because there are other consequences besides the one you're focusing on. The police aren't just lying to criminals, they're lying to everyone and violating their privacy. The only way to protect the innocent is to preserve human rights even for the guilty.

    TC


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    Quote Quote by: ThoughtCriminal View Post
    It's a bad thing because there are other consequences besides the one you're focusing on. The police aren't just lying to criminals, they're lying to everyone and violating their privacy. The only way to protect the innocent is to preserve human rights even for the guilty.

    TC
    Thanks for that. You speak my heart.


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    hang on wasnt Prostitution legal in Reno NV?

    WTF

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    Alright...is this a continuation of my ongoing headtrip or is the good old U.S. of A really forgetting that it is in fact the good old U.S. of A complete with protection from unreasonable search and seizure? Because you know I've recently started to wonder if I just completely lost it on 9/11 and its all just me and not the rest of the country. Who are we? Who will we be tomorrow?

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    Why wouldn't they place listening devices in all the rooms? Because if you work for an employer and use a computer at work, everything you do is monitored electronically based on the premise the equipment being used isn't yours. So the employer has a right to know what you do with their property. Extending that to hotel rooms, why not bug them all KGB style because your renting the room, and don't own it.


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    Quote Quote by: Compugasm View Post
    Why wouldn't they place listening devices in all the rooms? Because if you work for an employer and use a computer at work, everything you do is monitored electronically based on the premise the equipment being used isn't yours. So the employer has a right to know what you do with their property. Extending that to hotel rooms, why not bug them all KGB style because your renting the room, and don't own it.
    They can put in CCTV and a video monitor in the room so the you'll never lose the remote again; you can just ask the owner to play back the tapes and actually see where you left it! The motel surveillance crew can give the occupants advice on their sex lives and remind them to only put the towels on the bathroom floor if they're not going to use them again, and keep people from using too much toilet paper, the potential is boundless.

    Most people have a line they don't want to cross. By this logic they can raid apartments and leased homes at will because the occupants don't really own it either. If I have paid money for it on a permanent or temporary basis I expect that people will knock before opening the door and that if they're police they will have probable cause.

    The more you complain, the less I care about your problems.

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