Extremely Rich People

[syracusa]

Originally posted by rcne,

I support by buying stocks that have a benefit to offer for the good of man.
The return isn't as good as if I went for profit only, but that's not my purpose.
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If you had enough disposable money to BUY stocks, that means you're well beyond the "bill paying" worries. Most people in capitalism are not.

Most people don't get to stash money away in stocks because they're too busy struggling to stay afloat paying bills, kids expenses and health insurance costs.

So then again: regardless of whether you invest in saint stocks or evil stocks - the very fact that you say you own stocks that actually create WEALTH for you - wealth that allows you to never worry about your or your kids' future - that in itself puts you in another category.

Those NOT in your category, AGAIN, see message above.
Could not repeat it often enough.

[rcne]

I don't consider myself extremely wealthy. I have worked myself through college, and struggled to pay off my student loans.

I learned as much on managing my finances by that route as I did in college.

When you're broke 10.00 seems allot. Been there done that.

So after college, I paid myself 10% (when I could) and never touched it.

That's the key - spend less than you make. I did not want to sound pampas or overly egotistical, as I fear thats the way I sounded.

I do understand how hard it is to make it in todays world. The only security you can have is your own ability. For me that meant the struggle through college.

[syracusa]

Originally posted by rcne,
I don't consider myself extremely wealthy. I have worked myself through college, and struggled to pay off my student loans.

I learned as much on managing my finances by that route as I did in college.

When you're broke 10.00 seems allot. Been there done that.

So after college, I paid myself 10% (when I could) and never touched it.

That's the key - spend less than you make. I did not want to sound pampas or overly egotistical, as I fear thats the way I sounded.

I do understand how hard it is to make it in todays world. The only security you can have is your own ability. For me that meant the struggle through college.

Exactly. That's what I do too. I DO spend less than I make, I put aside the 10% or more, do all the right things.
Guess what? Not enough. Not to start a family, not to be able to have a parent home for that child, not many things - least of all enough to buy so much stock that it will start earning a leaving for me!!!!!!!

I know the goold ol' conservative theory with saving, being responsible for your own crap, not overextending yourself, not having credit card debts etc. And I apply it.
I do not have 1 penny in credit card debt.

Guess what? When my husband must pay almost 700$ a month to put a wife and one kid on his health insurance, leaving us completely vulnerable, this theory with "save and invest to make a fortune" becomes a bunch of smelly s**t.

So I will go back to repeat my mantra for all the "have-nots" out there who have a ear to hear:

1) Stop foolling yourself that you will ever be able to convice the rich that this and that is "not fair". Yes, IT IS NOT, and THEY DON'T CARE.

2) Stop believing that if only you worked "as hard" as the rich do, you TOO will be like them one day.

3) Instead START reducing your "hanky-panky" days or use a condom every time you engage in such activity.

START understanding that unless you are rich with stocks and dividends that can earn a living for you, having more than 1 kid (2 at the very maximum) is being irresponsbile, immoral and pitiful.
So much more, if you don't even have some marketable skills and are downright poor.

STOP providing cheap or free labor for those conscience-less creatures. I know babies are cute - but they will turn into cheap, exploitable labor tomorrow, right under your helpless parental eyes.
(Unless you think your kids should suffer and struggle through life as much as you did, DO NOT multiply just 'cause this is how it's always been).
When you look at babies that way, they ain't that cute anymore, are they?

The rich will not care when your kid (as future adult) will be layed off by them and left desperately looking for a job - ANY job!!!!, going to bed sick worried, waking up the same way.

STOP perpetuating misery.

DO NOT rely on the meager chance that your kid will be a great entrepreneur - adn will thrive under this syste.
If you haven't, chances are your kids won't either.

Dream of a world when these bastards will start appreciating "human resources" more than they appreciate their yachts and humangous houses.
Perhaps one day, when poor people will stop F***-ing as often, they will have to clean the humangous mansions themselves.

Watch for downsizing then!

[castille]

Those evil smart people. They are stealing intellectualism from dumb people. Just like Evil Rich People ™ steal wealth from poor people 40,000 miles away (for example, Bill Gates last night went to a Rwandan home, bashed up the poor Rwandan, and grabbed his $2 coin and ran back to America).

I think we should start regulating how smart people can get. Or how much information they recieve.

[Pooeypants]

Can we have a little less witty sarcasm please, try to be serious.

[rcne]

I apologize to those that think the government, or world in general owes them anything.

Our constitution guarantees Life, Liberty and the Pursuit of Happiness. - Thats it.

What you do or don't do with the opportunity is your choice. Anyone can get through college - if marginally smart enough and willing to sacrifice in the short term for the long term advantages.

I know many people that live paycheck to paycheck, I also see the impulse buying and I can afford it - I got an increase in my credit card mentality.

So to those people - I owe nothing.

To those who are honestly trying to make a good life for themselves and their family, I have the utmost respect.

Is health care the biggest expense - why do you imagine that is.

Is it the drive for profit by the insurance industry, or is it the cost of malpractice insurance brought on by unrestricted outrageous settlements and trail lawyers.

I keep forgetting - We need to be protected from ourselves.

If the people can get it through their heads that lawyers aren't on your side, and that they are a powerful PAC, fighting Tort Reform. Which in effect, is against you and me. Health care cost will never come down as long PACs influence our government.

Every family is paying 500 to 700 a month - one way or the other, whether you write the check or not to feed this cash cow.

Could you use an extra 500 per month?

[syracusa]

You are missing the point.

Castille, you too dear - with your profound obssession over the "virtues of the rich". I know you're in love with them, we've known each other for a while now - so no need for that cheap sarcasm. I won't go into another debate with you over how the rich are awsome and how the "haves nots" deserve their fate. You are right, you managed to convince me over the past couple of years.
(NOT!!&#33.
I guess the biggest tragedy of your life is that you cannot mingle with the likes of Gates, I am sure you would finally find your peace in life if only you could get access into those circles. Well, keep tryin'.
In the meantime - oh the horror of it - you must hang out with losers like us on this forum.
(Got sarcasm?).

Rcne - you are also missing the point. Trust me, I know your conservative theories inside and out, I have read and heard A LOT of that stuff in my life so far.
You are saying that "the world doesn't owe you a living".
CORRECT.

Apparently it doesn't. Apparently, the world (the ones like you included) is very happy to let a destitute die in his own misery without flinching. Why? Beacuse you rationalize it that, one way or another, they deserve it - 'cause they didn't put aside the 10% and they engaged in impulse buying.

I won't even bother discussing this type of statements.

All I was doing in that post was to get a message across to those who struggle and predict their kids will have to struggle in this life too.
Chances are they will have to struggle significantly more than their parents struggle now.

Honestly, in case you didn't notice, I wasn't even debating.
I know this is a debate forum but I wanted to just get a message across to the relevant people. I did not need you to come up with your conservative theories and correct me.

AGAIN, I wasn't engaging in debate there. Sorry.

My message was: (and I'll repeat it until Sean bans me 'cause God kows I didn't need to be back here):

If the world doesn't owe me and my children a living, if doing my best is obviously not good enough and if the rich keep the prerogative to simply pee on my misery if they so wish - isn't it only moral, normal and logical for me - as a potential maker of yet another doomed human life - to cut short my reproductive tendencies?

The world doesn't owe you a living, but parents (MORAL PARENTS&#33 do owe their children a high chance for a good life.
If youy feel like you cannot offer that high chance (and please be realistic when you evaluate it!&#33 - then DO NOT manufacture that human life.

If you do, you will only manufacture vulnerable prey for Castille's objects of affection.
If you feel cozy to the idea of your children having their assess fired and their lives played with by the likes of Paris Hilton, then go ahead and supply these nasty creatures with more and more cheap labor.

If you feel revulsion to that image, then keep the D*** in your pants.

That's all I was saying. No need to be corrected with conservative theories. My message is perfectly in sync with them.

[castille]

Paris Hilton is not someone who I admire. She is not even a capitalist. Only a total dumbass would use her as an example of a successful wealthy person (hint hint).

I admire those who have struggled from a crappy existence to achieve wealth and power. People like Bill Clinton, who used to deliver messages at 6am for local congressmen, or Bill Gates, who sat up for 23 hours working on his 'business' in his mum's basement.


Some people look at successful people and sneer. Those are the ones I call the thieves - their pessimistic attitude is robbing other people of their own chances at success.


Syracruse: I recall you were on these boards whining and bitching about your crappy life, and why your rich husband dumped you for a younger woman, or something. Is that perhaps why you resent successful people?

(P.S. Only stupid people use Paris Hilton as an example of success).

[rcne]

I retract my optimism. Just because my family started dirt poor and through education provided a better life for their children does not guarantee that it is an universal truth.

Hard as it is to believe - I believe that anyone, and I sincerely do mean anyone can through determination alone provide a better life for their children than they have.

It may mean breaking the cycle of large families, as you mentioned.

But in this country opportunities exist - we are not a class society, so you can advance.

[syracusa]

Castille, honey

Are you on crack today? Oh, wait, I forgot - this is your regular self.

Nope, I am not the one "dumped by a rich husband". Bad memory, sweetheart. Been only married once, still am to the same wonderful man - very happy with my marriage, and will certainly stay married to the same man until the end of my days.

First of all, you din't get the Paris Hilton message quite right. Or if you did, you twisted and spinned it very nicely, in the good ol' conservative tradition. No surprise here.
But just because you can twisy my words and reality to fit it into your sci-fi "Adidas Torsion, You can do it too" cheap propaganda - doesn't mean that you were invited to do so.

SOME "can do it too". Extremely few. MOST cannot.
And those who CAN do it, they will do it either way - with or without "can do" propaganda.

The granpappy of Paris Hilton may have been one of those "succesful" people you seem to want to focus on, who started low and ended up high, blah,blah, blah.
(One in how many???????)

But you know what? Generation after generation, the rich consolidate more and more power into the hands of their own families. If you refuse to acknowledge that, you are psychotic as far as I am concerned.

Then the Parises of this World are born. And all the others who inherit mega-stock and live on huge dividends. I see them and have contact with them all the time, every other week probably.
They are there right in front of my eyes, ....and I hate to break it to you, these families are not the "sweethearts" you want to believe they are.

Chances are my kids will have to bust their assess their entire lives so that the value of these parasites' stocks can go up as high as it gets.

Please do not tell me that the future employees of Hilton chains or any other mamoth corporation will not have their lives in the hands of managers acting in the best interest of Paris, Her Majesty (or other similarly inspiring heiress) - NOT the best interest of employees.

I also do not fancy my kids busting their asses and not sleeping at night for fear of losing their jobs so that Jennifer Gates (and the like) luxuriate in her family's humangous inheritance.

Got a problem with that?

As far as I am concerned, you can reproduce 20 of you.
You will do the Gates and the Hiltons (and others like them) a great favor; but considering how much you adore them, this is probably a win-win situation. Not for your children, but after all, your priority are the rich people.

Bye, bye and let's not meet again.

[syracusa]

Originally posted by rcne,

But in this country opportunities exist - we are not a class society

We are not?????!!!
Shoot, this is what was escaping me. Now, I KNOW what to do. Thanks.

In this country also, the sky is not blue. It's more like purple-orange, with checkers.

Sorry, I caught sarcasm from castille.

[rcne]

You seem to be caught up on the dynasty concerning Paris Hilton.

Studies have shown that wealth of that type seldom spans generations.

If it makes you feel better, that air head will burn through it and without handlers to stop the hemorrhaging be left with a small trust fund. After the corporation is acquired by another corporation.

I only hope she doesn't breed.